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Australia's Mona asked a court to reverse its ruling that allowed men inside a women's only space.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/oHT6U

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There are still places that are men only. Women can't join the freemasons for example, but you don't see this sort of extremely angry reaction to that.

And I agree, this art piece is doing exactly what it was supposed to.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Huh. Let women into the Freemasons, I guess?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

That'd be ideal, but I don't really see that happening tbh. There's a women's version of the freemasons, but it's not nearly as popular or active as far as I can tell.

[–] HauntedCupcake 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Do you have any more examples other than the freemasons? I had assumed we were done with needless segregation (excluding bathrooms and such).

The only thing that makes sense in my mind is that male dominated spaces have non-explicit social barriers in place that are being approximated by the explicit barrier the museum has set up.

In the UK there's golf clubs that have pretty toxic atmospheres and dress codes but aren't legally allowed to bar women.

Sorry if this is super ignorant, I'm acknowledging the problem I just want to understand it better

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm from the US, but here it's mostly fraternal lodges that still ban women, and certain religious groups(which I don't think those technically count due to separation of church and state). But the Order of Oddfellows, Fraternal Order of Eagles, Freemasons, and the Botherhood of St Andrew don't initiate women. Im sure theres more but i dont know about them.
Granted those have some religious influence, but aren't churches directly as far as I understand. Also the skull and bones, but they're very secretive and that could have changed and no one would be the wiser.

I'm not sure about other countries laws, but in the US private institutions are more or less allowed to segregate by gender, but often there's backlash and they lose money so most won't go there. That's why it's mostly these secretive fraternal orders that still do it.

[–] HauntedCupcake 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thank you! I wasn't expecting such a long and well written response 😁

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Np! Always happy to have a civil discussion! and thank you for asking your question in good faith