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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Einstein may have supported Labor Zionism, until it betrayed its purported socialist principles.

Labor Zionists played a leading role in the 1947–1949 Palestine War, and had a dominant presence among the leadership of the Israel Defense Forces for decades after the independence of the State of Israel during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

Zionist Left: The ‘Pacifist’ Arm of the Nakba

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Einstein may have supported Labor Zionism, until it betrayed its purported socialist principles.

You're making shit up

He took the draft of a speech he was preparing for a television appearance commemorating the state of Israel's seventh anniversary with him to the hospital, but he did not live to complete it. In the draft he speaks about the dangers facing Israel and says “It is anomalous that world opinion should only criticize Israel’s response to hostility and should not actively seek to bring an end to the Arab hostility which is the root cause of the tension.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Albert_Einstein#Zionism

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’m not making shit up, as the letter that OP posted plainly shows. I made no claim that he stopped believing in Zionism as a concept, only that he stopped supporting the actual Zionists in Israel who were ethnically cleansing Palestine in 1948. And if he’d actually actually drafted that supposed 1955 speech as Israel claims, then I’d say that he was no Einstein. That sounds like some hasbara to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The letter plainly shows he doesn't support terrorists. As I wrote in my original comment, it makes no reference to Zionism at all.

You're claiming that draft, that I had to tell you about, which was written 7 years after the establishment of the state of Israel (when it was barely a functioning state) is Hasbara?

Edit: Also, if he was against Zionism, why was he ashamed he couldn't accept being Israel's president? Why was he moved by the offer?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You’re claiming that draft, that I had to tell you about, which was written 7 years after the establishment of the state of Israel (when it was barely a functioning state) is Hasbara?

I’m not claiming that the draft speech and its contents are hasbara, only that I suspect they might be, and that if they aren’t, then I think less of Einstein if he wrote that, “the Arab hostility […] is the root cause of the tension,” because I think the root cause is Western settler-colonialism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I won't tell you what to think of him but honestly, he was a Jew who saw firsthand the rise of violent antisemitism in Europe - he was extremely biased on this subject, his views don't really surprise me.

Edit: Btw after re-reading my replies to you, not sure why I was so hostile, sorry