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The Palestinian activists fighting for LGBTQ+ rights against a neverending backdrop of war (www.lgbtqnation.com)

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[–] SupraMario 13 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Not even close. Israel sucks for what they're doing but no need to make up lies.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

How is it a lie? Gaza is probably the most dangerous place in the world. If you kill 40 000 people a couple of thousand of those are going to be lgbtq. God you people are dumb.

Edit: Also I like the inherit racism in thinking Palestinians can't be lgbtq and also claiming, without fact that they're transphobic. Hamas is transphobic. Palestinians are an entire group of people.

[–] SupraMario 8 points 2 months ago (11 children)

This is like saying that Ukraine is slaughtering LGBTQ+ people because they've killed nearly 1/2 a million russian soldiers. On top of that, you're acting like the reason Israel has targeted them is because they're LGBTQ+. You don't label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they're a certain race or gender. So no you're statement is blatantly false.

Palestine is not a race, and Islam is %100 transphobic and the main religion practiced there (98% of the population).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Copying this from a previous comment as it's basically the same ignorance so I don't care enough about changing the context.

Just ignore the fact Christians are doing the same thing. It's not an Islamic issue. It's a conservative issue. Muslims in America are predominantly left leaning and their views reflect it. I'm more worried about Christians in America trying to kill me than Muslims. They are more accepting of me here than Christians. My local mosque has a big trans rights flag in protest of our local politicians, and guess who were the ones to get upset about that. I'll give you a hint. It wasn't the people who were worshiping under the trans rights flag.

As a subject of hate born from essentialization, it's bad. Don't do it. Regardless of who you're essentializing. Systemic oppression can only happen with underlying dehumanization that comes from this thinking. Before you say "what about Nazis?", still no. It removes responsibility from them. That was the immediate and obvious excuse the people under Nazi Germany used to absolve themselves when the war ended. It was what was used to excuse the people brought to Western nations under programs like paper clip. They are people. They are just like you. You are capable of becoming just like them. Unless you're willing to accept that, you're much more susceptible to becoming like them.

[–] SupraMario 0 points 2 months ago

Copying this from a previous comment as it's basically the same ignorance so I don't care enough about changing the context.

Just ignore the fact Christians are doing the same thing. It's not an Islamic issue. It's a conservative issue.

Not arguing that, there isn't anywhere in this entire thread that I have done so. I've just been pointing out that the middle east and islam is hostile towards LGBT persons. And everyone here seems to think that's not the case.

Muslims in America are predominantly left leaning and their views reflect it.

Muslims are not significantly more likely than all Americans to identify as liberal (30% vs. 28%); however, a greater share of Muslims describe themselves as politically moderate (39% vs. 32% of all U.S. adults).

Muslims vote Democrat mainly because dems aren't trying to constantly glass the middle east... wondering how that'll look now that biden continues to feed the Israelis bombs, so they can continue the genocide.

I'm more worried about Christians in America trying to kill me than Muslims.

In the USA? Sure, more people here are christians, but don't think that if Islam was given the chance at running the usa that you'd be better off somehow.

They are more accepting of me here than Christians. My local mosque has a big trans rights flag in protest of our local politicians, and guess who were the ones to get upset about that. I'll give you a hint. It wasn't the people who were worshiping under the trans rights flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

Not saying there aren't tolerant Muslims, never have.

As a subject of hate born from essentialization, it's bad. Don't do it. Regardless of who you're essentializing.

Intolerance of the intolerant I believe is what is preached around here.

Systemic oppression can only happen with underlying dehumanization that comes from this thinking.

%100 agree

Before you say "what about Nazis?", still no. It removes responsibility from them. That was the immediate and obvious excuse the people under Nazi Germany used to absolve themselves when the war ended. It was what was used to excuse the people brought to Western nations under programs like paper clip. They are people. They are just like you. You are capable of becoming just like them. Unless you're willing to accept that, you're much more susceptible to becoming like them.

I'm not someone who believes that you should be tolerant of those who actively are trying to remove the rights and lives of others based off of their skin color, gender or sexual orientation.

What Israel is doing is fucked, we should have stopped funding their damn military decades ago.

What hamas and other jihadist are doing to people (women and LGBT persons mainly) in the middle east is also fucked.

Both things can be true. Not everything is black and white. It's like we have lost all nuance in discussions these days.

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