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[–] CosmicCleric 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Tbh even once is too often. And it has happened all across Canada.

[–] CosmicCleric 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

people dies in ER after 48h waiting.

How often does that happen?

ooften.And it has happened all across Canada.

I'm trying to get a feel, as someone who does not live in Canada, as to how often this actually happens. If it's really an urgent issue, or more hyperbole than anything.

Could you elaborate further on how often this actually happens?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because Canada's universal healthcare is funded by the feds and provinces, but administered by the provinces, numbers are not available. But I did find an educated guesstimate from this source put together by two Canadian physicians.

"The extra deaths caused by emergency department crowding are so rarely counted because it's hard to pinpoint the crowding as the proximate cause of the death. But when you look at populations and population-level data, you clearly see excess hospital deaths when emergency department crowding is worse," he said.

He and colleague Dr. Paul Atkinson from the department of emergency medicine at Dalhousie University in Halifax tried to put a number on what they called a "hidden pandemic" of harm.

They used a formula devised by the U.K. Royal College of Emergency Medicine and The Economist to assess the increased delays in moving patients out of the ERs into the hospital beds in that country.

The U.K. data suggested that between 260 and 500 patients a week may be dying in excess of what would be expected when ERs are crowded.

"If you do simple multiplication based on our population, you would find that over a year, somewhere between 8,000 and 15,000 patients are dying in Canada because of emergency department crowding," Worrall said.

[–] CosmicCleric 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you.

Edit: Jebus, 'Thank you' gets downvotes? Man, tough room. /adjustsshirtcollar

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

You're very welcome.