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1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
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The only dangerous minority is the rich.
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We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
Good thing we (the US) lost the war, or this lady would probably have her own team of lobbyists running their country.
I mean, Vietnam is a Socialist Oriented Market Economy.
86% of Vietnamese people own their own homes, 70% are farmers because the government will allocate farm land to anyone who proves they can raise crops.
Pretty impressive stats you got there, considering that 27.2% of Vietnamese people are under 18 years old.
Source
Such a young age to own a home!
Damn, and I can't even get one at 30.
And remember kids, 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Gotta serve those numbers with some sauce
Fairly easy to find looks like home ownership rose to 88.1%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
The 70% farming statistics is quite wide spread;
https://www.google.com/search?q=70%25+of+veitname+are+farmers&oe=utf-8
I appreciate that you came back with it, but the point is more that you should include sources in the first place. Don't expect other people who read your comment to go looking for information to back up your statistics, and don't expect them to accept it just because you said it.
Also, I'll point out that this:
Doesn't necessarily mean that all 70% are farmers. For instance if I manufacture farming tools, or sell grain silos or fertilizer or w/e, my livelihood is dependent on agriculture too.
Fuck off wanker it's a memes page and I'm allowed to mention relatively benign and unemportant stats in passing off the top of my head if I want to.
You don't get to dictate whether I choose to use my ancient phone that takes lots of time to look stuff up because it's a decade old to look stuff up and include links you fat and lazy western prick.
You want to go fact check for yourself it's a relatively easy thing you could easily do, but you don't get to police or moralize what I do with my down time you fucking internet cop blow hard wanker.
You want to so some serious fact checking of politics why don't you go do it where it counts for the left: on mainstream rightwing sites like reddit.
Go to the Jordan Peterson sub on reddit and do it (there's a fucking openly Nazi thread for you to check out there), go to the PCMmemes subreddit go to the TIKHistory page, and go demand sources of actual right wing Nazis, don't try to tell me a how to spend my down time as a lefty trying to enjoy some memes because you like the thought of yourself in a blue uniform with big black boots.
I actually do those things whilst you spend your days safely moralizing to a political leftist randomly mentioning harmless facts about a Social Democracy then pretending like you're fucking doing good or was part of some important debate on a difficult topic.
You and people who make such complaints internally in spaces like this should go out an be able to research and get the stats yourself... And you should go fact check and play internet cop where it counts and is actually difficult in the right wing spaces online where we actually need help moralizing to the literal Nazis building up there (https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/1c7cxe4/why_do_journalistic_and_academic_publications/)
Oh no, Vietnam has a slightly different stat that is expressed differently on different websites, you only know that because I told you (https://lemmy.world/comment/9497762), you lazy shit pompous internet cop wanna be wanker. Sitting and complaining in your safe space because you're too lazy to do the basics for yourself.
You're out of your element donnie and it's a benign fact. What do you think someone's going to go accidentally set up a south east asian Socialist Oriented Market Economy and find out you'd need some other policy to get a 70% farming rate.
That's what you're policing in a world and time period where there's actually rightwing places and subreddits you could be using your "shoulding" internet cop powers on. Geezuz, oh no, you almost had to think for yourself for a second there. Big deal.
A benign stat, mentioned in a leftwing reddit alternative, quick call billy club jones there's someone to should to death with demands they include links for you, you absolutely lazy baby playing cop in your safe space.
I'm not the one having a temper tantrum right now.
Go fact check the right where the actual misinformation is, rather than acting all smug and superior in a way that's completely undeserved.
And what exactly is "smug" about pointing out that you should source your information?
The word SHOULD is absolutely always the imposition of an external morality. that YOU subjectively believe I should do something doesn't make your moral opinion objective or applicable to me. So go should someone else to death.
But you also did the whole "I'm just a fun google guy reminding you! And I had enough time to get this picture of soup! But not enough to go do my own research!"
If you want a source ASK for one like we're equal adults in a shared space, don't come along and act like you're everyone's parent or the local cop and demand people work for you with your "should" morality. You lost case.
If you WANT to find the information yourself, you SHOULD go find it for your fucking self. Not do some friendly fire cop thing posing as some kind of thought leader/monitor or groupen fuhrer/commander then shooting into its a debate or like this is a space where there's a spread of misinformation or like that's what was happening.
So yeah, take your "should" morality and shove it up your over inflated sense of moral importance. Some of us are currently just trying to relax here, and aren't on duty.
You want to play that game go do it where it's important and needed: in mainstream right wing spaces that have Trumpist Libertarian Nazis in them, as I linked earlier. Don't try to start petty shit at random. Direct your intentions where they become: among the uncritical rightwing who are the actual threat.
That's where I do it, that's where you should do it, but P.S they don't like the shoulding parental approache either. It's a bad mode to approach most adults with.
Is that 70% of total or 70% of the homeowners?
70% of the rural population apparently:
https://www.google.com/search?q=70%25+of+veitname+are+farmers&oe=utf-8
That's actually pretty awesome IMO.
Cue 'that guy' telling me how bad Vietnam is.
Vietnam is actually really good, as far as middle-income countries without functional democracy go.
But a high proportion of the workforce engaged in agriculture is not a good thing. Though I don't think that 70% number is correct regardless. I think it's considerably lower (which is better for Vietnam).
Everyone should at least have a garden of their own and the path to that is in home ownership being available to everyone.