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[–] SmilingSolaris -3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945. Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war. and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. - The United States Strategic Bombing survey (European war) (Pacific War) https://ia801903.us.archive.org/33/items/unitedstatesstra00cent/unitedstatesstra00cent.pdf

[–] sailingbythelee 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sure, but that wasn't known at the time so it wasn't a relevant factor in the decision to drop the bombs.

[–] SmilingSolaris -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

But it was though. We had intercepted the communications between the Japanese foreign affairs head and the ambassador to the Soviet Union. The ambassador was attempting to get the Soviets to mediate a peace with the allies as they were not yet at war. We had their entire negotiation strategy. We had their intent and knew their wants, must haves and no go's. All of which lines up with the peace we ultimately would have.

We 100% knew. All we had to do was sit down and negotiate.

[–] Malek061 6 points 11 months ago

You're leaving out the part where the peace talks were already a non starter. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/japanese-diplomacy-1945#:~:text=Japan's%20ambassador%20to%20the%20Soviet%20Union%20in%201945%2C%20Naotake%20Sato,That%20effort%20ran%20through%20Sato.

After what japan had done, there should have been more bombs dropped.

And I know your argument is disingenuous because the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people.

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