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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

it's good in the short term but realistically this news is a canary in the coal mine moment

we are decoupling our economies from the global system - increasing the chances for cold and/or hot war

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The US is not decoupling from the global system, they're just lessening their dependence on their adversaries and countries vulnerable to their adversaries for key sectors. The US can only stay prosperous if they remain a central player in the global economy and they know it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Imagine you're Farmer Bob in a temperate region great for growing apples and I'm Farmer Fred in a tropical area ideal for bananas. We each like bananas and apples, so tried growing both fruits, each of us harvesting 12 of our specialty and 6 of the other, making a total output of 36 fruits.

But then, we learned about the power of trade. We focused on what our lands did best: I harvested 24 bananas, you 24 apples. We swapped half our produce, and like magic - We both had 12 bananas and 12 apples each, totaling 48 fruits, a 25% increase just from trade.

But what if we stopped trading due to trust issues? We'd revert to the less efficient system, losing out on the additional produce.

Now, think of this on a global scale. When countries specialize and trade, we all gain. But as governments decouple from global trade, they're choosing to lose these benefits, making economies less efficient. It's a dangerous path where everyone ends up poorer.

And for our governments to deliberately choose a path that makes us all poorer - that means there's an unchecked growing tension. It's almost palpable. We're already living through a Gilded Age nearly a century after the last one... what happened after the Gilded Age?

Call me a doomer but this is alarming news, even if understandable from a national security perspective

[–] DefiantTostada 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're not a "doomer", as I read it more like the opposite- your defense of global trade is optimistic. Trade and specialization doesn't work nearly that cleanly in practice.

Companies and governments saw the disruptions of the past few years and realized that there are unaccounted for costs (and benefits) to the global supply chain. COVID, shipping disruptions (strikes, Evergreen, prices), the chip shortage, etc. all have taught a lesson about the diversification of supply chain risk. Decentralization isn't less efficient when you include those costs. So it makes more sense now to make goods in America for America, and make goods in China for China. Not all goods, obviously, but the scales have shifted...and that's a good thing for the health of global supply.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

To extend your point, the fruit analogy assumes shipping is completely frictionless. In reality there are all kinds of downsides to shipping everything 12,000 miles across the world, both social and environmental. If you ship out 12 bananas and the cargo ship, train, or truck gets delayed, suddenly you have 0 bananas. Not to mention all the extra CO2, which the companies get to conveniently ignore.

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