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Found this post super informative as it relates to Mastodon, and thought Lemmy might also benefit from this perspective. I'm not sure I share his optimism, but his points seem sound to dampen some of the alarm bells over Meta joining the Fediverse.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lol are you serious? What, did you want a little bubble on the internet where corporations don't exist? What does "open source" mean to you, open to only the entities you allow in? Like the article says, join an instance that defederates every corporate entity or make your own, but don't blame developers of open source software for keeping it open.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd like to not embrace the assholes that helped centralize and control the narrative on their massive platforms of idiot users

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

It's not embracing Meta. All it says is, once it is federated, they may be interoperable. That's it. You could view stuff on Threads and Threads users could view stuff elsewhere (unless your instance defederates from Threads).

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then join an instance that's defederated with them, or create your own. It's literally that simple. Don't shit on open source devs for keeping their software open source.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How am I shitting on open source devs? I'm just pointing out how crazy you'd have to be to think any corporate media participation in the fediverse is a good thing. Yes I can run my own instance but it won't do much good if the largest AP instances let Facebook federate with them. They're just trying to capitalize on other peoples work while spending a relatively small amount of money and effort on their own activitypub client. If it fails they won't care and will just abandon it but if it succeeds they'll be poaching users and data from the fediverse for years to come. Not to mention bringing those cringe IG and Facebook users around.

Also, Quick browse through your comment history and there seems to be quite a bit of shilling going on for Facebook. Hmmm...

[–] JeffCraig -2 points 1 year ago

Uh, we need participation from everyone in order for the fediverse to have legitimacy. We unfortunately need those cringe users if we want large scale adoption. Without it everything stays small scale, developers aren't attracted to the concept and people leave for functioning alternatives.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh god, "shilling". Yep, there's that Reddit paranoia. Everyone who disagrees with me a robot!

There are two topics here, Meta and beans. Of course I'm talking about one of them lmao

And read the original comment I replied to saying Mastadon devs are "in bed with vipers". That's what I would consider "shitting on".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does reddit have to do with this? Many of your comments seem to downplay the threat these companies are to the fediverse.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get us.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My comments downplay the "threat" because I don't believe it's a threat, and if a single corporation joining the fediverse somehow actually destroys it then it wasn't going to be around long anyways.

If you read all my comments you should know that. I'm not a fucking shill because I disagree with you ffs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I believe the embrace, extend extinguish, model needs to be taken into account.

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Here is some food for thought, if you or anyone else hasn't seen it yet.

[–] Heastes 4 points 1 year ago

Embrace, extend, extinguish is exactly what first came to my mind when I heard about threads planning to federate. I think it is a huge risk.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Open source" means anyone can use or reuse the source code, it doesn't require you to show content from entities you don't trust.

The great thing about the fediverse is that we are all free to create or join instances that have federation policies we prefer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. Mastadon devs aren't "in bed with vipers" because they aren't somehow closing their open source software to an entity.

[–] MBM 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of this has anything to do with Mastodon's source code though, I don't know why you keep bringing up open source

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Read the first comment in this thread about Mastadon's devs being "in bed with vipers"

[–] MBM 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assumed that was about mastodon.social not defederating and Eugene Rochko saying not to worry about Threads

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Eugene Rochko even says to join a server that defederates Meta if you want in the article.