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Could we get official word on what Kbin's stance is towards federating with Meta? (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I would like to know if I can feel safe here, or if I should pack it up and start looking elsewhere sooner rather than later.

If the kbin staff have already made there intentions clear, please let me know.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right.... so - the long and short of it is -

A company (any company) decides to integrate with ActivityPub, and the entire fediverse has a toys out of the pram moment every time that happens, gradually closing off into smaller and smaller federated circles, that stop federating with the rest of the fediverse.

A reminder, Tumblr are supposed to be adding ActivityPub.
Wordpress has.
Discourse I believe now has.

So who exactly is it that gets to decide which companies are and are not allowed to be part of the Fediverse?

It's all very very much like a dictatorship, whether you want to accept it or not - that's exactly how it is being operated.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Absolute strawman from the very first paragraph. Some people might complain about any company, but this uproar is specifically about facebook. Let's not pretend they are just any other company. They are among a short list of companies who have demonstrated just how awful a big tech company can be if allowd.

They have at no time in their history demonstrated any capability to be anything other than an example of all the worst things that Stallman or any of the OG greybeards would ever have warned us about. They are corporate greed exemplified, nearly to the point of parody.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

@asjmcguire

I struggle to continue conversations when the argument is "if you're doing X to Y you are also Y". No, if you want to ostracise the biggest greediest corporation that we all know are here for different reasons than the reasons that the fediverse was created, no, you're not a dictator. You are just trying to protect your own values.

Same as when you don't allow hate speech, you're not a fascist who oPposEs tO fReE SpEeCh

Using words with very clear, historically set meaning, to describe the exact opposite thing is a very weird path to take.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So who exactly is it that gets to decide which companies are and are not allowed to be part of the Fediverse?

It's all very very much like a dictatorship, whether you want to accept it or not - that's exactly how it is being operated.

Sorry I missed this in my prior reply and can no longer edit it.

It's not a dictatorship beyond any one instance, which is the entire point. You don't like that some large percentage of instances have said "no thank you" to Meta? Then you move to an instance that is happy to be embraced by them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

For christ sake I don't understand why people aren't getting it. YES it is a dictatorship because it is not about any one instance - if it was just instances saying "I don't want to federate with Meta" and that was it - I wouldn't have a problem, that is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. But that's not what this is - this is instances saying "I don't want to talk to Meta, and if you want to continue talking to me, then YOU are not allowed to talk to Meta either" - explain to me HOW that is not being a dictatorship?