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What? Why would deglorifying Columbus lead to stalin-worship?
Because for some people everything they don't like is Stalinism.
If you unlearn the lies of American tells of its history, you're more likely to unlearn the lies America tells of its enemies.
Are you saying that Stalin wasn't a murder hobo? I thought that was well documented on both sides of the situation.
nope.
and the people who believe it usually ignore all the death the us empire sponsors globally.
Ooooh which lies are you talking about as it pertains to Stalin?
Generally everything that makes him seem cartoonishly evil, such as quotes like "no man no problem", "you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette", that one endorsing election fraud, etc, the molotov ribbontrop pact, Order No. 227, or having absolute power are either outright fabricated or taken wildly out of context.
There's too much to go in depth on each one, but I'm happy to provide more context if you can think of any common knowledge that seems either insane or cartoonishly evil.
If you want actual criticisms of the guy, we can talk about telling the CPC to work with the KMT, his willingness to compromise with reactionary elements such as the church, his lack of support for Korea after the US telegraphed their plans via the division of Korea, or all the shade Mao threw at him (that link is not even an exhaustive list).
Let’s stop on Molotov Ribbentrop, I’d like to hear how I’ve been lied to there.
Can you explain what you mean?
I grew up in the USA and never once was taught Stalin had absolute power. I’m not sure what the link was supposed to change there.
What does Mao have to do with this, how do quotes selected from his writings have anything to do with the thing I asked?
I’m not sure if you’re trying to explain anything to me or just use lots of words to talk generally about an idea you feel.
OK so Molotov Ribbentrop is taught as evil Stalin teaming up with Hitler when reality is closer to the reverse.
It ignores the context of the USSR attempting to make defensive pacts with every other country, including Poland, and offering to supply 1 million troops if France+UK would invade Nazi Germany.
Molotov Ribbentrop was signed after the western allies telegraphed that they intended to support Germany, Poland, and Japan invading the USSR.
That war nearly happened anyway when the UK attempted to send troops to support Finland during the winter war, and was only blocked by Sweden's refusal to allow transit.
Mao is making mostly valid criticisms of Stalin. You'll note they're more nuanced and don't depict Stalin as a supervillain.
Molotov Ribbentrop was negotiated in secret while negotiating with the allies.
Stalin backed out of the negotiations, not the Allies.
It wasn’t AFTER, it was more they were playing both sides to carve up Eastern Europe in their favor.
While ill advised or wrong they may have been the UK believed war could be averted still. Obviously they were wrong. Invading Poland about it with the Nazis I guess is ok to you.
To act as if the soviets were innocent actors who were forced to ally with the Nazis to invade Poland and carve up Eastern Europe into spheres of influence because the big bad allies wouldn’t invade Germany and help the Soviets carve up Eastern Europe is some of the most revisionist nonsense anyone’s ever thought that intelligent people could believe.
Kudos on that mental gymnastic accomplishment.
How much varnish do you have to drink?
But isn't the meme "you abandoned one leader and got a new one"? As in all idols are bad?
No, the person who drew the comic thinks destroying a statue of Columbus is sacrilege, and Stalin is the devil.