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A bad thing giving you pleasure(tasting good in this case) doesn't make it okay to do the bad thing.
It requires a shit ton of plants to feed animals for animal products, way more than using plants directly, nothing sustainable about that when we can just use plants directly instead.
What do you think sustainable farming of animal products looks like?
You are not on my side if you support needlessly killing animals for profit/taste.
You're not doing your part if you willfully support super damaging industries that have readily available alternatives because "tastes good".
Also can you explain why you only have this reaction to my comment and not the parent comment which is the same but about conservatism? Is that just as bad? annoying people who might be on our side.
What does taking aim at corporations look like if not refusing to give them our money while advocating for regulation?
The reason these corporations do bad things is to earn money, they get that money from individuals.
If people who think these corporations are doing bad things stop supporting it then suddenly the corporations have less money.
Why not be on the right side of history?
Why do you want to be forced into not doing bad things instead of just changing on your own?
Dude you gotta chill a bit, this is the point he was making. Having a huge argument to get one single change in lifestyle (a huge effort for that person btw) when everyone does a million things in their lives that also contribute to these issues is not pushing the fight forward meaningfully.
And if we are going to drop meat, let's also push people to stop driving, stop flying, stop buying gadgets, stop buying all plastics, stop using air conditioning, and on and on. I can live without plenty of that, just like meat, but which of these do you think you can get enough of a mass of people to give up? It has to be aimed at governmental bodies to make these changes on a meaningful scale.
Avoiding animal products really isn't that difficult, I made the change myself.
That's exactly the problem, our modern way of living is extremely wasteful and destructive, giving up because there's a lot of issues isn't gonna help, we should be talking about these things and making changes.
Yes, exactly, now you're getting it.
We all need to make meaningful changes to fight climate change, that's what this thread is about.
"World's hottest day since records began" should be a wake up call to not continue as usual.
I never claimed fighting climate change was gonna be easy, that doesn't mean we should give up.
Yes, I've continually said we advocate for regulation which can be done while changing our individual habits and lifestyles to match those changes we are advocating for.
Does it make sense to ask politicians to make regulations while you yourself are supporting the thing you want regulated?
Going vegan is one of the most impactful changes a person can make in terms of climate impact and it really isn't that hard.
This singular line always sets off mental alarm bells, for me. From movies to historical speeches, I associate it with deception or extreme evangelism. I'm certainly not claiming you are doing either but did it feel it socially prudent to bring up.
I can see that.
I think it's fair to call fighting climate change and animal cruelty "the right side" tho :)
Come on buddy, starting a debate and then refusing to actually debate is very silly.
I'm not forcing anything on anyone, this is an internet forum, you aren't a victim for reading some words.
Being against animal cruelty and climate change isn't trying to control peoples bodies lol.
I'm specifically trying to get people to stop using animals as property, controlling their bodies..
What about the rights of other animals?
Should they not have a right to life without you needlessly torturing and eating them?
I haven't been an asshole at all, I've simply countered your points.
Seems you've let your emotions cloud what was actually said, try rereading what I've said when you're calmer.