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Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/10013170

The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (9 children)

It feels like the cited statement actually lacks causality. If Ukraine falls, nobody will remain at peace, that's true. But how does that change the credibility of Europe except for showing that maybe help was not large enough (even that might be a wrong assumption) is what I fail to see.

If anything, the credibility of Europe could be questioned over the efficiency of sanctions and over how those sanctions actually affect Putin's war

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It’s the credibility as an ally. If the EU fails to supply Ukraine, even though the EU shares a land border with Ukraine, Taiwan, Armenia and other nations currently threatened will not rely on the EU’s support, but rather just surrender to aggressors. Especially with Taiwan, any conflict there would blow up world-wide trade, as everyone and everything is dependent on taiwanese microchips. It would also mean that many Ukrainians feeling betrayed by the West would flood into the EU (or are already here), which would lead to a lot of strife. Lastly, every dictator will feel emboldened, as precedent shows that you only have to keep your offensive going until the public loses interest. When the current world order is upset, many conflicts will form and grow. Any power vacuum left by a retreating power will be fought over and filled.

[–] nivenkos -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Armenia never relied on the EU's support lol - the West has always supported Turkey (even back in the Cold War), which supports Azerbaijan.

That is why Armenia is in CSTO.

No-one in Europe is going to war over Taiwan, it's thousands of kilometres away. Whereas Russia has carried out multiple attacks in the UK, and shot down a civilian airliner full of Dutch nationals, and borders many EU nations to which it is hostile.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Armenia was in CSTO, they are no longer. And if Taiwan is attacked, the US and Europe will be affected above all others, as both economies are highly industrialized and thus highly dependent on the microchips coming out of Taiwan and South Korea.

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