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Israel ‘accepts six-week ceasefire deal’ as Hamas response awaited, US officials say (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Its curious to see how the media narrative has turned in the wake of some of these primary votes. Biden's gone from "Israel can do no wrong" to "We're doing everything we can (short of denying them more weapons and diplomatic cover at the UN) to stop these atrocities".

I have to wonder what happens as we close in on the general election and Trump goes all in on being pro-Palestinian genocide. Do the Democrats rediscover their love of human rights and rules based international order? Or do they all double back and try to out-compete the Republicans on the "We Love Israel" front?

[–] jordanlund 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Generally, it's pro-Israel all the way down because of donations. That's really all they care about.

[+] UnderpantsWeevil -6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It goes a bit beyond that, even. Israel is pivotal to the control of the Suez canal and a point of military access into the Persian Gulf for Western forces. They're the guard dog of the Middle East, a central trading hub between the Mediterranean and the Indian Ocean, and an agricultural hub in a region notorious for drought. There are lots of reasons to support Zionism that go beyond just getting a bundler with an AIPAC affiliation channeling donor cash in your direction.

To quote old Smoke'n Joe Biden, "If Israel did not exist, we would have to invent it."

[–] Maggoty 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We uhh.. we actually control the Suez. Well the Egyptians administer it. But the Sinai Peninsula is a UN peacekeeping mission. Which always has an American Infantry Battalion deployed.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

we actually control the Suez. Well the Egyptians administer it. But the Sinai Peninsula is a UN peacekeeping mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis#Motives_for_invading_Egypt

[–] Maggoty 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well yes. That is what led to the current situation in the Sinai Peninsula. The point is we don't need Israel for the Suez Canal.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Israeli military is critical in keeping a Western friendly government in control of Egypt.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190403-israel-general-israel-was-behind-coup-against-egypts-morsi/

The writer said in an article in Maariv newspaper that “the outbreak of the January revolution coincided with the Israeli security assessment that President-elect Mohamed Morsi, a Muslim Brotherhood man, intended to cancel the peace agreement with Israel and send more Egyptian military forces to the Sinai Peninsula.”

“At that stage, Israel was quick and willing to activate its diplomatic tools, and perhaps even greater means, to bring Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi to power in Egypt, and convince the then US administration under President Barack Obama not to oppose this move.”

https://www.madamasr.com/en/2019/09/21/feature/politics/shoot-post-and-share-the-viral-accusations-against-sisi-and-the-military-that-led-to-fridays-protests/

Sisi runs the intelligence from his presidential office and sends all agency reports to Israel. This is evidenced by the fact that the entire region is being arranged for the benefit of Israel, both politically and militarily. Egypt is now losing its authority over the Red Sea and oil wells, and is losing its ability to bypass water obstacles, and is also losing the Nile.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

We have the CIA. We do not need a cut out to influence Egypt. And arranging the entire region to the benefit of a genocidal regime is going to cause a lot of problems as the years go on. We should cut them loose.

Edit to add - Intelligence flowing to Israel first is also a problem. We've caught Israel lying about intelligence stuff multiple times since October. I guarantee you we can get better quality intelligence by developing our own sources.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We have the CIA. We do not need a cut out to influence Egypt.

The CIA doesn't operate in a vacuum. We've got the Five Eyes Intelligence Alliance throughout the western world. The CIA routinely collaborates with Mossad. And there have been numerous partnerships with the FSB and MSS during the Bush/Obama Eras of the War on Terror.

Edit to add - Intelligence flowing to Israel first is also a problem. We’ve caught Israel lying about intelligence stuff multiple times since October.

We've caught Israeli spies in the US going back to the 1950s. We still work with them regularly.

[–] Maggoty 0 points 6 months ago

That makes Israel less critical, not more.