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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

TLDR Signal made a decision that has different tradeoffs and is waiting for the tech to improve before taking the step Apple did.

All of these updates are extremely cutting edge and PQC tech is not matured, so both Signal and Apple implementing it now is mostly a marketing move.

In Apple’s press release, they mention they use a combination of the new PQC “Kyber Crystals” algorithm and the existing standard “ECDSA” algorithm. This is because Kyber is is too new and hasn’t stood the test of time yet. Apple doesn’t want to trust it fully because someone could come discover a vulnerability.

Even if it is motivated by marketing, it’s good that these companies are competing in this space because it drives the tech forward, and it’s good that they are working on including PQC now even though the tech is immature, because the goal is to protect against attacks involving storing encrypted data now and decrypting it later once quantum computers are more mature.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In Apple’s press release, they mention they use a combination of the new PQC “Kyber Crystals” algorithm and the existing standard “ECDSA” algorithm

Wait what?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kyber_crystal

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yep! Researchers are nerds. The state-of-the art PQC asymmetric encryption algorithm is named after Star Wars Kyber Crystals, and the same group released a digital signature algorithm based on the same underlying math named after Star Trek Dilithium Crystals.

A press release.

The research group’s website.

Wikipedia

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Super cool, thanks!