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I have a 10 yo daughter with PDA autism (and ADHD) who decided to refuse her medication in early January. We have noticed a big difference from when she took them so we really want her to get back on them, but nothing we have tried works. Anyone with some experience they want to share? We are grasping for straws at this point. Help

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (17 children)

We have noticed a big difference from when she took them so we really want her to get back on them

We have tried to apply whatever trickery we get from the groups we are in

We have gone through a slew of different meds and delivery systems that she outright rejected because of nasty taste or hard to ingest.

The only reason we are getting our of her is that if she takes them, we (the parents) win and ergo, she looses

Can you really not see a connection?

Does she feel better on them, or is she just easier for you to deal with?

Kids know when you trick them, and every time you do, they lose trust in you. Autistic people especially value honesty and directness, we often see right through the bullshit. Stop playing tricks on her, and start working on building trust back.

She may absolutely benefit from the medication, I am not her doctor and I don't know anything about her, and I am not advocating neither for nor against it, but from what you have said, it sounds like you've put her through a hell of a lot to try and find something that "works", but it doesn't sound like it's working for her, not at this point anyway. If the medication makes her feel better, she'll probably want to be on it again in her own time, or she won't, and then either way - you have your answer.

[–] spainball 3 points 9 months ago (9 children)

We definitely see the connection and think we have a pretty good idea why she is not taking the meds. A big part of the problem is that we have been told by school and doctors for a couple of years now what to do, and we have done as instructed because they are supposed to be professionals. And the result is like you described, she does not trust us fully anymore.

Im certain she feels better from the meds, but perhaps not directly. But all the fights and irritation that can be avoided has so many side effects. And we saw a very different person back when she took them, happy and at least more content. Its a bit of a catch-22 at this point and I just wish there was something we could do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Well at the very least you're willing to take a step back to assess the situation and acknowledge that meds might not be what's right for her, and by extension your family, which is an important first step.

I can understand how overwhelming it can be with all the advise coming from every direction, and also how easy it can be to trust the "professionals", but never forget - they are just people, often trying to make their job as easy as they can, and with biases that inform that (in this case mostly capitalistic ableism - focusing on how we need to "fit in" and be "contributing" or "functioning" members of society when the measure is potential employment and "independence" rather than focusing on our well being and on if our needs are being met), and gaps in knowledge like everyone else (you'd be horrified to know how few health and education professionals get any training or education on working with autistic people).

But all the fights and irritation that can be avoided has so many side effects. And we saw a very different person back when she took them, happy and at least more content

This could be a sign that she is content, it could also be a sign that she is being prevented by the meds from expressing her distress. You not seeing an obvious reason for irritation (that could easily lead to a fight be virtue of simply being overwhelmed) doesn't mean there isn't one, and while not all sources of irritation can be removed from our environment, removing the ability to express the feelings they cause is not the solution.

I just want to make sure I'm clear again - meds can be lifechanging for some people, I am not anti-meds on principle, what I am is cautious about treating symptoms over cause, as well as others' convenience over her well being, because that's unlikely to end well long term.

Lastly, I think if you've not come across them yet, understanding the models of disability would be a good place to start:

https://www.drakemusic.org/blog/nim-ralph/understanding-disability/

[–] spainball 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To be a bit blunt, I have been thinking of meds as a way to reverse a downwards spiral, a way to get out of a rut. Then we could take further decisions together with her if its something she wants to continue with or not, after "the worst" is over. But hearing what you and others here have said that might not be the best way forward. I have learned a few important things today I think, and while I was of course hoping for a "just do exactly this and everything will be fine"-advice, I was not expecting it.

The gaps in knowledge was undeniable at her previous school, as apparent not only by our situation, but some other former classmates of hers as well. At least we left them with a lot of reading material and advice on how to handle it in the future, lets hope they read it and act.

Thanks and I will read up on that, it looks familiar at a glance and I suspect it's stuff we have been reading about in another language

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

As I mentioned above, the fact that you are willing to take a step back to assess and correct your course is the important part, so many parents, despite what are generally the best intentions, get really defensive and refuse to even consider they might need to adjust their thinking, so going forward you've got a massive advantage. Good work helping the other parents out too!

I think the most important thing I would say to always keep in mind is that you can't "fix" autism (not even in a similar way to how you can "fix" ADHD), so while some medications can help with some symptoms, and some therapies (not ABA) might help with others, always stop and think (and teach her to stop and think!) - are you treating a symptom to make her life better, or are you treating it to make her seem "less autistic" to the world? If it's the latter, it's probably never worth it. Embrace the autism, embrace the community (which you definitely seem to be doing), and let her be her.

I really hope things go well!

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