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The language of 2A has always been a troublesome comprehension issue. "Well Regulated" does not mean what you are insinuating. It's two separate phrases. It's saying in order to have a free state, there needs to be a well organized, trained, militia. in order to have a militia the people need to be able to bear arms, therefore, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Pretty sure james madison even expressly stated in a letter that, yes, even cannons were covered by this. It's why we are allowed to have the same stuff the military does, albeit heavily taxed. We had a whole war about being taxed, but i digress... The term "well regulated" at the time was more of a "well organized" not what gun grabbers think it means today in Rules, regulations, and restrictions on owning certain things. The language is pretty clear. Shall not be infringed.
So why would our government be trying to introduce a bill to not let people train and be "well regulated"? Look into House Bill s3589.
I agree that the Patriot act is anything BUT patriotic, but your claim that liberals had nothing to do with it is misguided. While it's true it was sponsored and co-sponsored by republicans, Joe Biden was a staunch supporter of it and even claimed it was based on previous bills he wrote. Both sides suck in this one I'm afraid. The patriot act is one of the worst things to ever happen to our 'liberty' in this country.
I do appreciate your well tempered response though. rare to see intelligence on these forums and not just people spouting hate because you feel a different way about something. thank you.
Yeah, I accept that explanation for 2A. And, arguably by definition the well regulated would not be regulated by the government, otherwise the spirit of the whole amendment is meaningless. I'm definitely not ignorant enough to say guns should be banned, if at least for the simple fact we'll be able to 3D print our own in a very short amount of time. Not to excuse the "liberals" (going back to your original comment and my question), being primarily Democrats and as politicians trying to do something about mass shootings for sure they go to gun regulation. And it absolutely doesn't help that Republicans seemingly don't have any solutions to the problem, including making access to healthcare overly complicated. If we go back to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness then people with mental struggles who turn to gun violence as an answer, they deserve the opportunity to get the easiest and free access to mental healthcare. So if we're not going to regulate guns (which I'm not even condoning per my 3D printer point) then the alternative course must be healthcare, and the "opposite of liberals" don't seem to even discuss this beyond "no." So I'd say both sides suck on this one too haha
I did acquiesce that some liberals were involved in the patriot act... :)
And yeah, thanks for answering the question. I try to have a meaningful conversation here, otherwise I may as well just look at cat pics.