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xkcd again, but now on linguists and their weird habits (mander.xyz)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I feel slightly offended. Because it's true.

(Alt text: "Do you feel like the answer depends on whether you're currently in the hole, versus when you refer to the events later after you get out? Assuming you get out.")

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If I were to rely on my "guts":

I fell in a hole - I was already inside the hole, and I fell.
I fell down a hole - I fell completely, I reached the ground of that hole.
I fell into a hole - I was outside the hole, and my fall made me enter the hole. That's probably how I'd use it, in a typical situation.

However I'm not a native speaker, and my L1 is rather relaxed when it comes to what prepositions convey. And from a quick websearch, Google lists 3.3M occurrences for "fell in a hole", 2.2M occurrences for "fell into a hole" and 820k for "fell down a hole"; that hints for me that, by default, speakers would use "in a hole" here, unlike I would.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I could say "I fell in a hole" to mean either case (I was in or out of the hole beforehand), but for "I fell into a hole" I would only use it when starting outside the hole. (native speaker)

Like on the one hand it could mean "I fell [while I was] in the hole"

But it could also mean "I fell [and then I was] in the hole"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I am a native speaker, and I do take my word choices very seriously - often to the point of pausing during conversations to find the exact phrasing which will convey the shade of meaning I am looking to convey. I wrote fiction for a while, and it was always extremely important to me to get phrasing right.

I agree with you completely. While I would interpret all of those phrases as equivalent (based on context) if they were to come from someone else, I would tend to use them in exactly the ways you suggest.