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I‘m quite pleased to see you lose it, ngl.
I just pointed out how it would be easy to prove that someone who pirates still compensates the creator. For legal reasons I would never try to prove this to some internet rando. Shame on you for thinking I would. You on the other side cant prove the opposite by definition and are thus making baseless claims. Imo you only used the example to support your shilling for IP holders.
What you’re doing rn is called the conjunction fallacy or if conciously used just abusive rhetoric: you‘re assuming that because I think pirating from a faceless corporation abusing their customers is ok I must think that artists dont deserve money.
To an ignorant, easily manipulatable person, this would seem correct. For someone with more experience its wrong in the best case and brutally abusive and manipulative in the worst.
You starting to use more and more aggressive and derogatory language instead of keeping calm or disengaging shows me that your intent is to be abrasive, not to change anyones mind or have a meaningful discussion.
buy merch, subscribe on patreon or otherwise send them money.None of these things give you a moral or legal right to have access to other content they have created. You send money to the dev directly? What about all the other people involved in the project? You buy merch? Good for you, that gives you the right to have that merch, not something else they created.
I would never try to prove this to some internet randoYou would never be able to prove it on a large scale, that's the real reason why you would never do it, it would be anecdotal evidence and that's it.
assuming that because I think pirating from a faceless corporation abusing their customers is ok I must think that artists dont deserve money.The second you pirate content that's exactly what you accept, they there are people that don't get compensated for their work.
For someone with more experience its wrong in the best case and brutally abusive and manipulative in the worst.Funny how the people concerned wouldn't agree with you, guess they're not experts.
You starting to use more and more aggressive and derogatory language instead of keeping calm or disengaging shows me that your intent is to be abrasive, not to change anyones mind or have a meaningful discussion.And you refusing to face basic facts and logic shows me that you argue in bad faith.
I never needed to prove on a large scale. You said noone does it. You know that its impossible to prove that.
You accusing me of arguing in bad faith because I dont accept moral arguments for large corporations is quite funny.
This discussion is not going anywhere. I did prove what I wanted. Your arguments (no pirates pay for pirated content, pirating from companies that abuse IP law hurts mostly the artists) are neither substantiated nor are they relevant for the original point.
In any case, I do what you couldn’t. I‘m calling it now. Have a good one.