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[+] [email protected] -6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This comment is giving me a lot of ‘rightwinger calling others snowflakes’-vibes.

I'll copy and paste what I just told another poster, assuming the same shit: I’m not a right winger, nor acting as one. Stop making shit up / assuming shit about other users as a diversion tactic, and stick to the discussion.

Also, don't be disingenuous. I'm not calling anyone a snowflake here; as I've already highlighted across this thread that this shit is rooted in human nature. You do this, I do this, everyone does this, it is not a "snowflake thing", even if problematic. Is this clear???

Did you know that yelling is not a particularly effective technique pedagogically?

Emphasis mine. If you're treating adults as if they were kids, as shown by the reference to pedagogy, then you're being far more offensive than Torvalds.

Also, Torvalds is a kernel developer. He is not a teacher. It is not his job to stop kernel development to teach PR submitter #91294556 "oh my little poor thing! We seem to be really confused with this function, aren't we? Yes, we are! Here, let Mr. Linus help us, clueless thing. Aren't we happy today? If you understood it, then say «YAY! THANK YOU MR. LINUS!»".

Side note: it just clicked me that you guys are being culturally insensitive and imperialistic, given that a lot of Torvalds' no-bullshit behaviour is likely cultural in nature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m not a right winger, nor acting as one.

I'll concede that I don't know what political affiliations you have, but you are definitely acting like many of them do.

If you're treating adults as if they were kids

Pedagogy does not refer to teaching children, it refers to teaching in general. Teaching others when working with software is expected, and it is expected to do so in an effective manner.

Also, Torvalds is a kernel developer. He is not a teacher.

The fact that you think that developers are not expected to teach is telling that you either don't work as one, or have only worked in ineffective organizations.

Side note: it just clicked me that you guys are being culturally insensitive and imperialistic, given that a lot of Torvalds' no-bullshit behaviour is likely partially cultural in nature.

Now you're just grasping at straws, and this continues the trend of acting like a right-winger which I mentioned before.

For what it's worth, I've worked with plenty of Finnish developers - none of them consider yelling at their peers to be an important part of their culture.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’ll concede that I don’t know what political affiliations you have, but you are definitely acting like many of them do.

If I tell you my political affiliation, will you stop with this bloody stupid attempt of argumentum ad hominem?

I'm mostly Trotskyist, but influenced by Bakunin style anarchism and a few things of the Fabian Society. I don't usually discuss politics through this account but you can see signs that I'm Marxist here, and signs that I'm socially progressive here.

The issue being discussed is completely orthogonal to politics.

Pedagogy does not refer to teaching children, it refers to teaching in general.

Finally some actual argument. I hereby retract the point concerning infantilisation, then.

The point about screaming ("think on the feelings!") still applies however. He's dealing with adults, not children. You're expected to

Be responsible enough to not be a burden in any collective task that you might join.
Correct your mistakes. (More later on this.)
Not lose your marbles because someone highlighted that the output of your work is less than desirable.

(You're also expected to not be assumptive as a brick, but... eh.)

Teaching others when working with software is expected, and it is expected to do so in an effective manner.

You know what's expected when working with software? Working with software. Stopping the development to spoonfeed others is at most secondary.

And even then, Torvalds went out of his way to instruct the muppet in question on what he did wrong. (You probably didn't bother checking the context of the utterance, right? Go figure.) And that "AGAIN" shows that he did it multiple times, and the other guy was not correcting his mistake.

Now you’re just grasping at straws,

"This is wrong cuz I said so, chrust me" is not an argument.

and this continues the trend of acting like a right-winger which I mentioned before.

Refer to what I said at the start.

For what it’s worth, I’ve worked with plenty of Finnish developers

Anecdotal evidence, "chrust me" style. Plus outright distorting what I said, thus straw man. *rolls eyes*

At this rate it's somewhat clear that you are really eager to be at least disingenuous, if not worse (irrational). Since there's another poster trying to back up similar reasoning as yours, minus the blatant idiocy, I'll simply disregard your further "contributions".

~~"Thank you for your contribution! Sadly, it was rejected. But don't feel discouraged, try it again!"~~ Your comment is garbage and you are not contributing jack shit with this discussion.