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Final vote: NO

Should probably use something that only allows 1 vote per IP address. I think strawpoll.com and livepoll.io can do that.

VPN voting is also not allowed with this poll. I personally use a VPN and will have to turn mine off to vote on this.

https://strawpoll.com/6QnMO6m53Ze

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is an interesting topic, I would like to discuss further.

Locking down votes to accounts on the instance is important - the current system of Aye/Nay comments natively beats strawpoll on that account.

Since this instance is anonymous, having some amount of accountability to other users is also important. Even I can go through and at least audit comments to be sure they're on the instance and active users. This is another point where, again, strawpoll falls short.

I agree the system isn't perfect, but IP locking is also an imperfect solution. There are absolutely VPN solutions that will beat strawpoll's VPN identification, and there very well could be legitimate votes that would share public IP addresses, especially as the instance grows. I think I'm unconvinced that ensuring unique IP is vastly more important than the benefits the current system provides.

All that said, I don't know what a perfect solution would look like, but I would expect it to address ALL of these points (deep integration with lemmy, user auditability, and basic protection from fraudulent votes). I'm honestly curious what your thoughts are here - do you have a more comprehensive proposal to address my above concerns?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I’m unconvinced that ensuring unique IP is vastly more important than the benefits the current system provides.

What benefits does the current system provide over restricting IP? This poll has only 3 votes which is actually helping prove my point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I did list them in my comment, I spent time to try to engage with you and it's clear you either didn't read it or didn't understand it. That's a shame.

If you're going to laser focus on only one aspect of voting, you do us all a disservice with your suggestions to improve. There's more to a solid voting system than unique IP.

Your poll means nothing. It's a mistake to try to use it as a guidepost for how to run a lemmy instance. The low engagement isn't the slam dunk you seem to believe it is.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not a mistake, but rather a point I'm making.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please explain the point you're making.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Anyone can make 100 accounts with VPNs and vote with the current process

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this poll means nothing then all votes here mean nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have not demonstrated this to be true.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

I have done so.