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Language forms one's mind, and, then, one's formed-mind is reflected in the language one uses.
"Collaborative Intelligence" is a book on working-with 3 of the 4 kinds of innate-mind-language:
are the 4 kinds that I know-of.
The AbstractShapeCognition kind ( my kind ) apparently makes up a significant fraction of physicists.
The book only deals-with the other-3, however.
Why does that have any significance, whatsoever?
Translating EVERYTHING from AbstractShapes into English .. gets exhausting & frustrating.
Temple Grandin has a couple of TED Talks.
She thinks in movies.
then translates what the variant-movies showed her into words, to communicate.
Language is confining.
Languate is enabling between people, and also between oneself & one's thoughts, but it is crippling.
Douglas Hofstadter's "Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" is on how self-consistent-formal-systems are INHERENTLY mind-blind to all that the formation of the formal-system doesn't/won't see.
Leonard Shlain's "The Alphabet Versus The Goddess" book identifies that women's-rights simply doesn't get much of anywhere, in language/cultures which speak more-gendered language.
ie Anglo cultures have more women's-rights than Latin cultures, with their gendered-language.
That is consistent, & durable.
It gave me dispair for human potential, when I discovered that many language-families program people into genderizing everything, & locking "validity", in establishment's eyes, from "female".
That isn't going to change.
Which means that humankind is less-likely to endure The Great Filter, this century.
The "shackles binding our Potential" are too strong, and too strongly-valued, for humankind to break, enough?
It looks more & more like this is the case.
See the fallacy of wrong-framing, and understand that all human languages are wrong-framing something.
Each language is better at some things, but worse at others, and incapable of some concept-expressing...
That alters our viability, planet-scale.
In "The Design Of Everyday Things", it noted that we've a species-wide mental-defect:
When we do something, and it doesn't work, instead of agilely changing-what-we're-doing, we do what we already-were-doing, MORE FORCEFULLY.
That is why I ditched Emacs for Vim: Vim keeps hitting one on the head with one's not-changing-levels, thereby conditioning one's mind into the habit of changing-levels, counter to that innate species-wide ignorance/incompetence.
Morass-of-capability ( emacs ) was fun, but I NEED to be able to see what need be seen, need to be able to think what need be thunk, etc, and not-changing-levels is an already-known-incompetence?
And I'm autistic? ( making that much worse, with woodenheadedness/monotropism )
Vim forces the change in mental-habit.
Some equivalent is going to be required, species-wide, to force-change our language, in order to make our viability more-likely, XOR our conditioned mental-habit is going to sink a greater percentage of our species' life, this century.
Oh, & Temple Grandin's thinking in movies nuked the entire "without language, thinking cannot happen" school of philosophy, didn't it?
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