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Most cloud will give huge ipv6 address ranges. Oci offers a /56 for free. I think we need to get instance level tools rather than going off site.
I doubt anyone is going to do that for free, we can hope though.
No one is going to use a VPN or virtual machine in the cloud to manipulate votes? I apologize I don't understand what you are saying.
Just to test I voted no on your poll while connected to a self hosted VPN in oci.
This just further proves my point, how can we know whether a single individual with 200 accounts/VPNs voted on something here?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/611718
I think that's harder to manipulate votes in that thread than a solution like strawpoll. I think a local bot could pretty easily filter out new and sock puppet accounts. Would take some time but a bot could score accounts for manual review. Then again this cam make content for bot accounts [email protected]
That's a very big "I think".
Why you have to make an account and content for it? That's harder than an anonymous online poll.
And no, you don't have to make content to vote.
Ok if it's harder to create an account on here, how easy is it to "connect to a self hosted VPN in oci"?
I was saying this as a solution.
It takes like 3 commands to setup a VPN. You could automate ip assignment though oci or any cloud provider with a few extra lines. You could single line it if you posted from the VM directly. Ip based filtering doesn't work.
Making an account and content for it is more work and harder.
It seems like for someone who already has the technical knowledge that could be easy, but I've never used oracle or tried to. I think the best solution would be a combination of all of these things, including things like CAPTCHA.
I agree post history and content creation is a great way to measure a "real" account controlled by an individual, BUT measuring "content" and what validates an account as having made "enough" is a huge can of worms and a massive grey area. Who measures this?
At the end of the day the instance admins have the ultimate power, we give them that power by using their instance instead of the many others (or creating our own instance).
Yeah like I think that shared ip would be something that lowers your score but not something that defined manipulation.
A "Lemmy real human credit score". That would be quite a difficult undertaking. 😅
I mean all it needs to do is look at the account age and the number of posts + comments and spit out a number in the most basic form.
I'm not disagreeing with you but an anonymous poll on another webpage seems harder to verify votes. Clean ip addressed are easy and cheap for a bad actor to get and abuse since it's not against the tos for Google, Amazon or oracle. Spam email is.