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[–] HerrBeter 2 points 10 months ago (11 children)

NATO should've been put as a separate issue public vote, whatever it's called in English. To make an international example, in the US they can vote for big shit or the lesser shit, so people vote for lesser shit, but that doesn't mean they want lesser shit policies.

Imo it's a big wrangled to say we voted for this, when we vote for packages and our options are severely limited. Maybe you agree?

[–] Vaniljkram 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

We have representative democracy meaning we elect politicians to make decisions for us. While we do have the option to vote on single issue topics it's unusual, and there are more and less suitable topics for the public to vote on. Voting on the NATO issue is probably the least suitable. Much of the basis for entering NATO are secrets not revealed to the public. And considering Russia managed to tamper with the us election, can you imagine what impact they could have on a vote like this?

[–] HerrBeter 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We've had public votes for single issues before, like nuclear power, euro, and EU.

Russian and in extension Chinese influence is mostly astroturfing opinions. They give money to entities like PragerU and others to push any conflicting information. Hence the MAGA cult.

Better believe in information war, herr Vaniljkram, you're in one.

[–] Vaniljkram 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Did you want to explain why it would be a good idea to have a public vote on NATO?

[–] HerrBeter 1 points 10 months ago

Because then we'd at least have the option, and the people who are to be sent to wars get to actually weigh what they feel.

It's not perfect, but it'd be better

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