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When the MHGA kids cry about stolen land, remember it's about anti-semitism you will NEVER hear them discuss the 900,000 Jews victimized the same way. (self.politicalexiles)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by rivermonster to c/politicalexiles

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Starting in 1948, the Arab and Muslim world had stolen the land and exiled around 900,000 Jews.

The reason you NEVER heard this discussed at the same time as Palestinian land being stolen or right of return is exclusively the fact that the MHGA crowd has no principled argument. While they cry about the Palestinian Arabs they will never mention what happened to the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

A REALLY fascinating aspect of this, is if you applied the same unique (and bullshit) UNRWA definition of refugee to these Jews, then there would be millions of them who these alt-left should be calling for their "right of return" across the arab and muslim world. Funny how that's NEVER happened.

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[–] derphurr 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The same Wikipedia article linked to by OP

In 1948, more than 700000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Mandatory Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias and, later, the Israeli army

So....?

Yes your article mentions the exodus was mostly the Zionist policies of immigration into the new Israel state. Not exiles. Yes you are correct that 900,000 Jewish "refugees" moved into stolen land and displaced the same number of Palestinians. Is that what you want people to know?

[–] rivermonster -2 points 10 months ago

Okay, I'm back. What the point of the post was, and is, is to help some of the brainwashed MHGA kids get some contextual understanding to this conflict and grasp that nothing is as simple or black and white as it seems. When they read propaganda about Palestinian land stolen, and propaganda about right of return--giving a more full and factual perspective can ultimately help combat some of the radicalization. This includes understanding that 21% of Israel's citizens are Palestinians. I'm not putting lipstick on a pig. They’re NOT treated as equals, and there are crimes there, and honestly and apartheid like system. I have HUGE beefs with Israel about that. I think that's a fight that me and a lot of the MHGA kids might even be on the same side about. Unfortunately, they're (MHGA) so radicalized they can only falsely yell genocide and call for the destruction of Israel, and looking at their pro-Hamas rallies across the world often make calls to "gas the jews", or like the comment by the terrorist below "from the River to the Sea".

So if you seriously want to discuss and dissect the article, let's do it. Shall we start with the opening paragraph?

In the 20th century, approximately 900000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia. Primarily a consequence of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the mass movement mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s, with one final exodus of Iranian Jews occurring shortly after the Islamic Revolution in 1979–1980. An estimated 650000 (72%) of these Jews resettled in Israel.[1]

Contextualize it as well. This is 1948 and onwards, the UN had just recognized Israel as a state, and after that multiple Arab countries (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Iraq, and Palestinian Arab forces in 48) attempt to genocide Isreal and the Jews. Thankfully they failed in their effort to genocide Israel and the Jews.

Later in 67, same thing, another attempt to genocide Israel and the Jews and for both there were definitely literal calls for genocide. Fortunately, just like in 48, the six day war (in 67) found Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, etc.

Can we agree this was happening over the timeframe of the issue that we're talking about? Or do we need to debate it?

Also, if you're just playing "gotcha politics" and don't seriously want to discuss this, then let me know so I dont' waste a lot of time.

[–] rivermonster -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

EDIT: The downvotes for me telling the user that I'm busy but not ignoring them are fucking HILLARIOUS. You people are seriously mentally ill.

I don't want you thinking I'm ignoring you or your points which I think are perfect for a meaningful discussion. But I'm tired AF, have 3 death threats to report to law enforcement, and then I'm going to crash.

So again, sorry for the delay but I will attempt to answer you in earnest tomorrow.