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Wayland really breaks things… Just for now? (blog.tenstral.net)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This post is in part a response to an aspect of Nate’s post “Does Wayland really break everything?“, but also my reflection on discussing Wayland protocol additions, a unique pleasure that I have been involved with for the past months.

Before I start I want to make a few things clear: The Linux desktop will be moving to Wayland – this is a fact at this point (and has been for a while), sticking to X11 makes no sense for future projects.

By switching to Wayland compositors, we are already forcing a lot of porting work onto toolkit developers and application developers. This is annoying, but just work that has to be done. It becomes frustrating though if Wayland provides toolkits with absolutely no way to reach their goal in any reasonable way.

Many missing bits or altered behavior are just papercuts, but those add up. And if users will have a worse experience, this will translate to more support work, or people not wanting to use the software on the respective platform.

What’s missing?

Window positioning

Window position restoration

Window icons

Limited window abilities requiring specialized protocols

Automated GUI testing / accessibility / automation

I spent probably way too much time looking into how to get applications cross-platform and running on Linux, often talking to vendors (FLOSS and proprietary) as well. Wayland limitations aren’t the biggest issue by far, but they do start to come come up now, especially in the scientific space with Ubuntu having switched to Wayland by default. For application authors there is often no way to address these issues.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I run Wayland and it's definitely worse than X11, but it's getting better day by day. I always struggle with Wayland and I literally did nothing different than installing KDE Wayland. For example, ever since I moved to Wayland, Firefox will randomly freeze and crash when I'm using my PC - this happens at least once per gaming session.

Also, Wayland is still not feature complete and assuming it's the system fault for poor compatibility is wrong.

Just give arewewaylandyet.com a read.

[–] foobaz 2 points 11 months ago

I've been using sway for ~2 months extensively and didn't experience a single firefox freeze or crash. Before that I played around with weston and firefox crashed every 15 minutes.