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I mean anything can be stolen, but mine has a push button start and a manual gearbox, so at least here in the states I'm fairly safe.
Push start is much easier to steal then non push start.
You’re talking out of your ass dude
It's so much easier to mimic/copy your car keys wireless then it is the key itself.
Regardless of push start or not, of someone wants your car, it's theirs.
Except it’s totally not.
How's that then?
Mimic signal of the wireless key fob and you have a new car. I don't know the technical aspects since Im not a criminal but I'm sure I could get into many cars near me for under $50 and a few hours of research if I really tried.
Physical locks are actually more work, make more sound and damage the product they hope to sell. Wireless is inherently bad for security especially since the companies don't actually care, and why should they?
The "mimic" you're talking about is called a replay attack, and those have been prevented for a long time with rolling codes.
It's not, it's a relay attack. Someone stands near your keys with a receiver, and they relay the signal to a transmitter near the car. It works because it's the actual signal from your keys.
Never keep your keys near your door, unless they're in an RF shielded holder.
Yeah but the physical cylinders on the hyundais are what's compromised and easily accessed, the push start doesn't have that same vulnerability.
Lol naw dude, don't sit there and just act like you can spoof a wireless signal like that. I call bullshit, if it was that easy everyone would do it. Go on then, it's only $50 and a couple hours of your time. Not much in the grand scheme of things to prove an internet guy wrong right? Besides think of what you could do with all your new cars! /s
The dude is kinda right. If you Google relay attacks, they're pretty simple to execute with the right equipment, and I don't think the right equipment is especially hard to get. It's not exactly off-the-shelf, but it's also not exactly hard to get RF antenna and transmitters. All you're doing is extending the range of the key fob.
$5 and a Key Start vehicle would be all I needed to do one. Not that I'm ever gonna do it.
I mean yeah, but have you heard of the Hyundai/Kia Thefts recently? They don't have immobilizers
Yeah but those are using the standard ignition switches, not the push start. They pull the dash down and are able to use a USB cause it's about the right size to turn the ignition cylinder from the inside. With a push button I don't have a cylinder to turn, that method won't work.
Hyundai without immobilizers that can be stolen aren't push button start ones, they're ones where you stick a USB flash drive into the wheel to get it to turn over
I know.