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[–] FederatedSaint 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like, I get your overall point, but the whiskey to wine comparison doesn't quite work lol.

For starters, you'd have to drink a LOT more wine comparatively, which doesn't translate when going from ICE to electric.

[–] rockSlayer -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It does, because the batteries for electric cars have a reliance on rare earth metals.

Lol the downvotes are hilarious. We will not solve climate change with electric cars. Public transit in walkable communities with niche uses for cars and trucks are the only way forward.

[–] hperrin 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rockSlayer 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As seen in the Wikipedia article, sodium ion batteries also require rare earth metal anodes, or toxic materials like mercury which is also bad. Better than lithium ion, but still generally not great. The best option would be aluminum air batteries, which should be easily accessible and are extremely recyclable

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For you who live in the cities maybe. Personal vehicles will never be something rural people can function without.

[–] rockSlayer -1 points 1 year ago

perhaps you'd be interested in the fact that I grew up in a very rural area. The nearest city was Rochester, MN, roughly 30 minutes away if you were going 70 in the 55 on US 52. I agree that rural areas will need cars to go from their houses to towns and cities, but I've thought extensively about public transit in rural areas, and I think it's far easier than folks think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The battery tech is starting to move away from rare earth, with LFP not using cobalt and sodium-ion not using lithium. And in any case, emissions are by far our most pressing problem compared to issues with rare earth extraction.