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"If you tell a lie big enough and tell it frequently enough, people will eventually come to believe it". What is an example of this happening today? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I'd rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nah, they're an incremental improvement. EVs are more efficient at turning energy into locomotion. They get >100 mpge. The increase in tire wear isn't nearly as significant the CO2 emissions. I'm pretty sure there are studies that show EVs are better for the environment as a whole than ICE vehicles (even accounting for things like lithium mining and fossil fuel powered grids).

Tesla is a horrible, anti-consumer company. A lot of companies make EVs now (but a lot of those companies are pretty horrible too, I guess).

[–] Idefinitelydonotknow 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I disabled notifications, so sorry for the late response.

In theory, what you're saying is true. The problem is, these are expensive cars, meaning they're all being bought by people with relatively deeper pockets. They just replace their relatively new cars with Teslas instead of prolonging the use of their existing ICE cars.

The result is more vehicle turnover for "green" reasons, but that is a lie. The use of vehicles for fewer and fewer months to move to an electric car is not helping the environment in any way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Traded-in vehicles don't go to waste. Vehicle life cycles are actually pretty efficient. If a car runs, and is street legal, it will likely be bought and used by someone. Once a vehicle does not run, it will go to a salvage yard and used for parts. After a while, whatever metals are left will be recycled.

Edit: Yes, I don't think everyone should just ditch their ICE cars to "help the environment." I don't know if anyone is arguing for that. And, all new cars are bought by wealthier people because all new cars are way too expensive and have all kinds of "features" with dubious utility. I do think this is a problem. Until a couple years ago, I've never bought a new car. The only reason I bought a new car is because I couldn't find a used car that was worth the price (used car market was pretty fucked up back then). Coincidentally, I ended buying an EV, lol (a Leaf).