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[–] TerryMathews 28 points 9 months ago (15 children)

These people also never consider that they're measuring the wrong thing. If they're taking the position that the effects of testosterone from birth in trans M-to-F kids gives them an unfair advantage due to bone density and muscle mass, then they're failing to take into account that there are a number of natural health conditions that produce elevated testosterone levels in women as well.

I'm not saying this to be funny, but women with stubble especially around the chin often have elevated T levels, often due to PCOS. There truly are some women who are "built like a man" and they're not trans - at least certainly not in the way we use the term today. They're natural, their bodies just work differently.

Banning trans kids isn't going to level the playing field in the way they say they want to. Measuring things that testosterone affects like bone density would.

[–] derf82 4 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Most sports are dominated by people with genetic gifts. But having a little extra testosterone from a genetic quirk is a completely different thing than having extra testosterone because you were born with testes.

[–] TerryMathews 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Sarmyth 0 points 9 months ago

We know things are different because of the way that they are.

[–] derf82 -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It is one thing to have a quirk of the same organs, it’s another to be born with a different organ that effectively produces performance enhancing hormones.

But fine, then ban cis-women with unnaturally high testosterone.

[–] TerryMathews 1 points 9 months ago

You said it sarcastically, but doesn't that truly address the situation that you and others believe is occurring, in a non-discriminatory way?

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