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[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (58 children)

They have transit to back that up though. There are plenty of smallish towns and rural areas that don't have any transit at all.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (19 children)

I live in France, about 30 minutes from a major city. There is transit, but it's not good, and has very few stops near where I live. Grocery shopping has to be done by car or bike as there aren't any shops in the village. European cities are extremely well served by transit, but outside the metropolitan areas, cars are still king.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (17 children)

It's a really interesting thread. Cities are great, suburb & rural can be great and transit is great. 15 minute cities are great goals, but it's not a one size fits all situation. I can't figure out how they think these utopian 15 minute cities would work if they don't have a working transit built in. It's so weird, do they think handicapped people can bike and walk everywhere or don't exist? Do they think parents love sending their kids down the block to play by themselves instead of the backyard? Their choices aren't going to make sense for a ton of people. They're either right out of school or trolling, I can't tell which.

[–] ssorbom 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s so weird, do they think handicapped people can bike and walk everywhere or don’t exist?

As a handicapped person myself, it really baffles me how people think car oriented infrastructure is so much better for us. I am a wheelchair user, and I live in a 15 minute neighborhood. Getting around in my wheelchair is a million times simpler there than in my old car-centric suburb, because the same disabilities that make me wheelchair bound also prevent me from driving. Which mean that in a car-centric environment I do one of the following:

a) Rely on the generosity of friends and family to cart me around at their convenience, or b) Utilize shared access rides, which are door to door, but take longer than using public transit, or c) Roll myself to underserved suburban bus stops over badly maintained sidewalk, and pray I make it on time.

None of which are appealing.

Meanwhile, in my 15 minute city:

  • The buses often run at 10 to 15 minute intervals (vs 30 to 60 minutes in the suburb),
  • Sidewalks are larger
  • I have less distance to travel in the first place
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you're not blind and don't have a caretaker I assume.

[–] ssorbom 2 points 11 months ago

Correct on both counts.

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