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I'm sure you have something to back up "they'll have no choice", because right now it seems like hydrogen is getting left in the dust. Even the champions of hydrogen, Toyota, have relented and are building a fleet of BEVs. Spoiler alert: they're not going to build out two separate assembly lines, no matter how much they want hydrogen to win.
Again, you are too deep in your BEV fanaticism to realize obvious facts. In reality, this is a dead end. Car companies are only doing it for the subsidies and because governments demand it. Once this era passes, BEVs will fade away into obscurity or at best a niche. We already seeing signs of this, as BEVs sales have slowed (hidden by huge discounts and fleet sales BTW).
At some point, there will have to be a real attempt at zero emissions transportation. One that works for everyone. That inevitably leads to hydrogen cars. If not, then derivative ideas like e-fuels.
This won't happen all at once, nor will we suddenly pivot from one idea to the other. Hydrogen cars will steadily grow in popularity until anti-hydrogen denial becomes unsustainable and eventually people will embrace the concept.
It won't happen at all, because you can't seem to make any arguments beside "It's cleaner" and "You're a BEV fanatic". If that's seriously the arguments for hydrogen, it's doomed.
The truth is that you're arguing that a theoretical technology is going to win out over the one with tens of billions of dollars of current invetment and millions of vehicles already operating. All this while providing no actual benefit to the end consumer over BEV.
Green hydrogen, literally made from water and electricity from renewable energy sources, is impossible in your mind.
That's basically the same stuff climate change deniers said about all green energy. Ironically, even including BEVs. Repeating the same rhetoric against hydrogen is totally self-discrediting.
It's immediately obvious that there's no credible argument against hydrogen or hydrogen vehicles. At best, you had some naive technical arguments, but those are easily debunked by pointing out that hydrogen cars already exist. So there are no arguments left at all.
Guys like you are pretty much stuck in the past. It's now a matter of letting reality make a mockery of guys like you. Just like it did with deniers of wind and solar, even BEVs.
Again, why am I going to make hydrogen when I can more efficiently charge a battery? Why would a charging station do the same?
Hydrogen cars exist? Show me the commercial implementation of it.
Guys like you have no idea how the world actually operates. It's telling that you have to resort to attacking my character ("people like me are like this") rather than having your argument stand on facts.
Because you don't need a giant battery anymore. As it turns out, this is the biggest savings of them all. In fact, it likely ensures that hydrogen cars are the greener type of car.
Yes, hydrogen cars exist commercially right now. You can even go to a dealership and buy one right now, assuming you live in the right area. It's a mirror of how BEVs got adopted in the first place.
You're pretty much projecting at this point. When you adopt rhetoric identical to what climate change deniers say, you have clearly lost the plot. You either have to admit that you've drank the kool-aid on BEVs, and is now spouting BEV bullshit, or start claiming that green energy is impossible altogether, since your words have been used against all green energy before.
You argue like you're 12.
Says the obvious troll...