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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Same shit as 2016, different venue. A naive implementation of free-speech values says that they should have a chance to talk, but bringing understanding to the mix reveals that they don't also value free speech, and their speech suppresses far more than it promotes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Freedom to associate is part of freedom of expression. You are allowed to say and believe a lot of things. And everyone you try to say them to is allowed to say they would prefer you never interact with you ever again (blocking). Further, if you openly associate with people who express opinions that people find shitty, those peioke are allowed to say they don't ever want to interact with you or anyone you associate with ever again (defederation)

[–] MiddleWeigh 1 points 2 years ago

Yea my take on the whole paradox is that there are the people who are ignorant, naive, and just don't know what to think because they haven't been exposed to bigger ideas yet, then you have people who hate because they genuinely enjoy feeling hate.

I do not think absolurmte free speech is necessarily good. But I think we need to be mindful that some of the nazis are children in the process of becoming full on hate, and that there is a way to bring them back into the fold, but I don't know what the best way to go about it is.

For me, it's obvious when someone wants to hate for hate sake, and they should be ignored and worse. The other people I largely just pity for being caught up in the circumstance of their life.