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weird (adj.)
c. 1400,
• "having power to control fate", from wierd (n.), from Old English wyrd "fate, chance, fortune; destiny; the Fates," literally "that which comes,"
• from Proto-Germanic wurthiz (cognates: Old Saxon wurd, Old High German wurt "fate," Old Norse urðr "fate, one of the three Norns"),
• from PIE wert- "to turn, to wind," (cognates: German werden, Old English weorðan "to become"),
• from root wer- (3) "to turn, bend" (see versus).
• For sense development from "turning" to "becoming," compare phrase turn into "become."
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(I commented previously on this board twice before changing my handle again, I apologize if this makes it hard to remember who I am).
The spirit of SI seems to be a rebellion against the rules of the game as they are setup to be played at this level of reality. Basically, one is struggling with the fact that at this level of reality, we all wear a veil. But in my view, that is done by design. The veiling allows intensified personal experiences which are not possible in the more rarified spiritual realms. That's why spirits lust to come here, because they see that visitors to these realms return to their realms of origin having become spiritually jacked and swole. Its the ultimate gym for muscles which, in the realms of bliss and light, are much harder to work out. Imagine a dimension where everyone is more loving and empathetic than the world's most loving, Buddha-like therapist. A whole lot of things become impossible, particularly surrounding conflict and resulting self-development, in those realms.
Furthermore SI fails to acknowledge the subordinate, dependent and/or connected position which we do in fact occupy both in relation to our Higher Selves, to the Creator, to our fellow souls, and to the larger unfolding dynamics of the universe itself. The Self seems to be largely experienced through its own desires and what it can and cannot manifest - not through its connections to others, or through shared experiences with them. Connection and service to others is whats emphasized in the tradition I study (the Law of One).
The emphasis in SI on realization of the self - at a level that is completely at odds with what most of the souls nearest to us could ever hope of attaining - is an ideal so sheer, so dogged, that I feel it can't help but cut crosswise to the grain of our connections to others. This is a philosophy that I couldn't see bringing me closer to my fellow man, since the overriding viewpoint articulated within the philosophy is that he is in error. Compassion or Love or Understanding for that error does not seem to be powerfully in evidence.
That for me is why SI is unappealing (obviously I'm here, so it can't be that unappealing ;) ). I prefer a path which to me is encompassed with the ideals of Love, faith, and surrender to God. Perhaps this boils down to a disagreement over whether it is Leg Day or Back Day at the gym. At any rate I am grateful to be in the presence of those powerful ones here and to be able to read your teachings, one of which in particular, has been life-transforming for me.
Also wanted to mention that Neville Goddard has a philosophy that makes similar points to SI, I'm reading him now and its pretty good stuff.
Originally commented by u/karpous_metanoias on 2017-11-05 05:03:14 (dpccslg)
Not at all a rebellion. At least not inherently. I'm sure some people become interested due to a great degree of unhappiness with their experience as it currently is. But fundamentally, it is simply a realization that these apparent rules governing experience are actually the expression of one's will and that they can be altered if one so chooses.
It is possible to maintain a perspective involving the things you mention, and to make them appear to become a reality, from the perspective of SI. It's really a question from the SI POV of whether you'd like to maintain such a perspective or not, and then how to train yourself in that perspective while maintaining the meta-perspective of SI so that you can always have the conscious knowledge of your ability to change your perspective again in the future if/when you decide you'd like to experience something different.
I think that we maintain massive huge parts of our own minds in deeply habitual unconsciousness and a big part of that is connected to hypothetical external minds/objects. As far as we do this, it is important to respect our own minds and to work with the apparent world as it appears so as to not drive ourselves unnecessarily into the experience of misery. Misery is misery, illusion or not. So, it makes sense to me to work with/around the world and others that you consider/feel/experience as real as long as you consider/feel/experience things in this way.
I think SI isn't really a philosophy for the public in this realm. I publicly maintain a few close connections with friends and my girlfriend. I can talk about it to a few people irl but mostly it's not something they are interested in and I don't expect that of them. I think as a public, conventional human, it is still important to be compassionate and maintain a moderate amount of worldly intelligence to help make the world a good place for yourself and others. I think if one abandons life as a conventional human then it makes sense to no longer be concerned with those things, but as far as one isn't a hermit, these things are important from a human POV. It's just that from the POV of SI they are not metaphysically important or relevant to your own self-realization. The two are orthogonal to one another.
Originally commented by u/AesirAnatman on 2017-11-06 06:10:58 (dpe06ik)