First off, for purposes of grokking this, I request you take the perspective, even if only for a moment, that everything in your human dream is 180 degrees off, a little like a reflection in a mirror. Allow for that possibility while you read the following.
When you appear to have been born into humanness, you died to your True Nature, to Truth. You were birthed into this human dream but it was actually a death from the perspective of Truth.
When you appear to die in the human dream, what is really happening is you are being born back into your True nature, Truth. When you are born you die and when you die you are born.
Imagine a night dream... the characters appear within a dream, they are birthed. Later that dream ends and the characters disappear (die). Where did they go? Nowhere, because there never existed. Yes, they appeared to have a variety of experiences within that night dream which might indicate they were 'real' characters.. seeing, hearing, feeling various experiences, but they were not 'real'. From their dream perspective they felt real, but upon awakening the dreaming human realizes they were just illusory.
In a lucid dream, which you have probably experienced, you wake up to your true nature as that of the human character having the night dream. You awaken inside the dream to the reality that the character in the night dream is the creation of a human. Said human is outside the dream. Where does the night dream character go? Nowhere, because he/she wasn't 'real' to start with. You might say he/she died and was absorbed back in the dreaming human. As above, so below.
Contemplate this, you are already dead. You couldn't be deader and some day you will die to this human dream and will become alive to your True Nature. Truth is the dreamer and, in your human format you are a dreamed character.
You might ask why your human character seems so real and believable. Your night dreams appear real while they are happening. If your dream of humanness did not appear real, with the validation of the senses and human drama, you would not stick around for the entertainment.
Could all this human dream be solely for entertainment? You can make up any reason you want for this human dream, I find entertainment works for me.
What's your opinion about these two sayings (when you think of them, please think of them as if you're saying them yourself from your own person):
"I can be born to others and others can be born to me, but I cannot be born to myself."
"I can die to others and others can die to me, but I cannot die to myself."
Opinion?
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-11-05 19:54:14 (dpddk8b)
Ego wise, this is true. (Yet there are possibilities of this to be re-occurring more than once looping, on various multi verses, and it's still to be not even a tiny fragment but much less than that)
From the general awareness/presence. (The timeless being that is present to all that is occurring within itself)
It's quite unkillable. As it is nothing and infinity. Even language can't really communicate it as it's quite misleading, but that's the closest i could come up with as that's what my mirror neurons copied off it's current limited freewill.
The nothing is an infinite void the formlessness. The form that something happens in it is within the infinite void. We are it experiencing it.
What about your opinion?
Originally commented by u/therewasguy on 2017-11-05 20:08:09 (dpddtko)
My opinion is that if you stop imagining something outside yourself, then it will no longer be relevant to your perspective. You're just imagining this "it". From a subjective idealist POV there is no such thing as "it." There is only you. There are perspectives, and your own perspective for you is a root perspective. It's special and different. You cannot die to yourself and you cannot be born to yourself. This has little to do with what you call "ego" and everything to do with the perspectival-volitional nature of mind.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-11-05 20:52:43 (dpden7c)
Ah! right! for some reason I have adapted another blindspot taking this no self, no ego is present, the ego is still me, I seem to have forgotten it's always all me, nothing but me that exists. I am everything, I am infinite.
We are always on the same page regardless of distinction, truly non-dual.
So, does my silly little story give you a sense of why so few people ''get it''. Your human senses (your current radio receiver) are rather gross in their reception capacity and sensitivity ... i.e., the signal is subtle and the noise gross (S to N ratio) ... ergo reception is challenging and much interference overwhelms reception. Removal/reduction of the ''noise'' element (ego) is paramount to clear reception.
One might say, relax, breath and let things be as they appear. There is nothing to do. Your radio does not generate the True Self, only receives it.
Another thought.
Modern science teaches and shows pictures of neurons firing and creating thoughts PET scans, CAT scans, MRI's, etc. can illustrate this, but, in keeping with my contrarian nature, I ask you to consider this.
Thoughts are not a result of firing synapse or the like, thoughts cause those firings. Thoughts don't exist within your brain, your brain receives thoughts. You are always walking through the field of consciousness and your brain is similar to a radio receiver. Where is free will in this model?
Even if you decide to change something, perhaps the channel you are listening to, that is simply responding to a thought transmitted to ''you''. Even the thought that there is a ''you'' who is there to receive that thought is just another thought, or perhaps a collection of thoughts. Memories are just recalled thoughts.
Perhaps right now your brain is picking up on the thought that this is complete rubbish... did ''you'' choose that thought or did it just happen. Other folks might be picking up the thought that runs something like, ''Geez, what if this is the way it really is?''. Once again, was this a chosen response? What if the you that you think you are is just a though and the you that you really are is the ground field of consciousness, (Truth) and infinite context (field) that contains all possibilities. What if the human you think you are is only a temporary expression of Truth and, as Truth has no reasons (reasons result from thoughts only) there is no reason for any of these goings on... or you might receive a thought that there is a reason of some sort. But, that is only a thought and of no consequence
If I am making sense, please ignore me... if this doesn't make sense, please contemplate it. If you don't care, keep in mind that you did read it so nothing will ever be the same... ever...be... the .... same.... (or is that just a thought?).
Originally commented by u/therewasguy on 2017-11-05 21:57:36 (dpdfvz1)
Of course. I take responsibility for this too. From my own POV, I'm the one who implemented in my case a physicalist commitment (and likely for a veeeerry long time) and naturally all the people around me reflect that prior commitment of mine.
Beyond that, even as I am reorienting myself, I deliberately try to avoid putting too much pressure on the others to match my thinking, so I am not creating any religions or proselytizing in a formal manner. I will stick a sample of this idea here and there, but it's all informal and scattered. So in other words, I have a commitment to (at least some measure of) gradualism and therefore while I myself can move very quickly, the other people will not match my speed because it would likely crack their personalities in unhealthy ways if they tried to keep up with what I am doing here.
So subjective idealism not being well understood is completely normal and expected from my POV. It's because it's something relatively new for me and plus I deliberately don't want to start a religion or something like that around it.
I am not a human and my senses are not human either. Rather I, as a non-human God, am operating my mind in the manner of a human being. I am humaning. Not a human. I am humaning. My senses are structured for the purpose of humaning.
However, not taking anything that appears in the senses as "evidence" is also a fundamental tenet of subjective idealism as I explain it.
Basically subjective idealism breaks (or supersedes and exceeds) almost every metaphysical norm you can imagine, short of logic and reason.
But there is a me that isn't just a thought. This is important to understand. I exist. You cannot confirm that I exist but I can. I cannot confirm that you exist, but you can confirm your own existence. To me you're someone who can appear and disappear. But you're not that way to yourself. To you I am someone who can appear and disappear, but I am not that way to myself. This is very important to understand.
In subjective idealism the brain is considered irrelevant. The mind is not produced by the brain at all. The brain is only an illusion, a dream, inside mind. All brains are illusions. There are no brains as such.
I am not just a thought. I know that. There is no "what if." Not for me.
I can think thoughts. I am not anything that I think about. I am dreaming that I am a human, but I am not a human. I am only dreaming that I am a human. I am dreaming that there is a body here with a brain. The body here and the brain inside are my dreams. All bodies and all brains are dreams. When I dream at night I see bodies and if I open the skulls of those bodies when lucid, I will find brains there. Just like when "waking" "here."
I don't think I am a human. I am humaning. There is a difference between being a human and humaning.
I don't receive thoughts. There is no outside. It's just me. I think thoughts. I take responsibility for all my thoughts.
You're making little sense and I won't contemplate it. :) I am not anything you can control. This grandpa here is way beyond anyone's control. It's pointless to even bother to try.
Frankly I can even just put this body to sleep, or ingest every ounce of alcohol on this planet, and only my will will be done.
I may sleep but my will never sleeps. Things may appear, temporarily, to me as if they're beyond my control, but all is truly under my control, forever. It can never be any other way. I don't even have to strain or exert myself. That everything unfolds according to my will is, from my POV, a natural law. It's a primordial truth. I can either awake to it and recognize it, or I can choose to ignore it and pretend as if there are things that are "independent" that are "out there."
Everything will be the way I will it to be. From my POV that's all I can ever know. If you're interested in understanding this point of view for yourself, and how it would be if you adopted this POV, then stick around.
Our sub here is for discussing subjective idealism.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-11-05 22:44:09 (dpdgu3v)
Perfect reply. I agree with everything you have said.
I believe the universe splits from every POV, even if a crab decides to go left or right. Depending on the set rule of the POV as a whole or not. (after all i believe in infinity as that is it's magic, everything occurs. Some seem like they don't because only of the current defined conditions of that POV or multi-universe)
Some what of a quantum physics observer effect.
Although there is no one to control. It's always me playing with myself.
please pardon my off topic
Originally commented by u/therewasguy on 2017-11-05 23:43:01 (dpdi9ib)