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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There is an ugly backdrop of "bad", "coercion", "oppression" and "authoritarian" to this conversation.

And while I try to concede, to my hability, your good points and ilustrate steps have been taken to remove or diminish points of concern, in an effort to advance for something better, there seems to be an ever deeper entrenching on your part to build up the same points.

The state, which authority emanates from the people, does have the monopoly of force, which is a tool to ensure peace and stability inside a society looking to get rid of the need of it.

Your stance, to my understanding, veers towards an ideal anarchism, a philosophy I support myself.

But like any other social system, anarchy is affected by bad actors, motivated by selfish motives like indifference for their similar, greed or the simple appeal of basic violence against their fellow.

How are we supposed to deal with these? Are we all to become vigilantes? Allow angry mobs to apply "justice"? Or should we create special groups, prepared to deal daily with this kind of situation, to make our best collective effort to ensure "force" does not become "violence"?

You are the state. You, your neighbour, your community, your district, etc. You live in a crooked system you have allowed to flourish. Do you expect change to happen by spontaneous generation? Your default stance is of distrust. The "man" is out to get you. Guess what? You are the "man". You trapped yourself by your own actions.

Your reality is not universal. That is what I've been trying to pass across. Regardless a perfect system not existing, better than what you experience is possible and exists.