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[–] what 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Moreover, the majority of his followers didn't believe he was equal to God the Father for centuries after his death.

Even the Council of Nicea which many Orthodox Christians use to prove the trinity was a historical belief wasn't viewed as normative for a long time after the council. For example, Emperor Constantine who convened the Nicea council, chose on his death bed to be baptized by an Arian (the losing party in Nicea who said Jesus is not equal with God the Father).

I know it's not the conclusion this sub would want me to arrive at but studying the early history of Christianity is what made me a Muslim.

[–] LegalAction 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Constantine was... theologically confused though. He couldn't really distinguish between Sol Invictus, Jesus, Apollo, and himself.

[–] what 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lol fair point. I may be wrong, but I that is pretty much on par for an ancient emperor.

I think most of the time politicians going to politic so it's about whatever is most politically expedient. Since he choose to be baptized by an Arian after Nicea (and there were other councils where arians were in the majority), I think my main point it demonstrates that the most politically beneficial choice for him was to side with the Arian party and it also shows that Nicea wasn't the death knell that is taught by traditional Christians.

I'm happy to read more of you have a link or any recommendations.

[–] LegalAction 3 points 2 years ago

It's unusual for a Roman emperor to be considered a god before death. Caligula tried that and it was a disaster. But even Constantine was deified after his death, despite his conversion.

As for the sincerity of Constantine's conversion, the previous generation of scholars, people like Aldofi, MacMullen, and Barnes, tended to take it pretty seriously. Hal Drake in 2002 (relatively recent in terms of ancient scholarship) thought Constantine took a much more politic view of Christianity and indeed was making political choices rather than choices of religious conviction. His student Digeser, who was my diss advisor, has her own book coming out in which she argues that Constantine is coopting Christian rhetoric as well as the power structure of the Church to secure his own policies and positions. But I don't know when that book will be published.

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