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[–] radix 88 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Give me a solid car with an electric motor, but all old-school buttons and knobs in the cabin instead of a touchscreen that will be out of date in 5 years and cost 10k to replace if the kids get their grimy hands on it.

[–] olympicyes 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

You know there are absolutely zero controls on privacy for Tesla telemetry data. It’s wild to me that a car that is really quite a bit simpler than an ICE car is required to be perpetually online. That said, I saw there’s a company trying to offer electric retrofits for ICE vehicles, primarily classic cars, but that’s likely to be closest to what you want.

[–] Locrin -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s wild to me that a car that is really quite a bit simpler than an ICE car is required to be perpetually online.

Well it would be wild if it was true. Car drives just fine without an internet connection.

there are absolutely zero controls on privacy for Tesla telemetry data

Another wild claim, what is it based on I wonder?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This made the rounds recently. Tesla is bad (just like all car companies), but not quite that bad. They do have stated controls.

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/

[–] olympicyes 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was expressing personal opinion, which is influenced by some known facts. Tesla employees shared videos recorded from cars on their company instant messaging system, which suggests lax controls (lawsuit too). They even passed around images of Elon Musk’s garage.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/

Elon Musk also personally canceled the Model X order of a buyer who criticized him. That level of pettiness suggests contempt for Tesla buyers and owners. Is the personal data for an active Tesla owner who criticizes him off-limits?

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/03/elon-musk-personally-cancels-rude-customers-tesla-order.html

[–] Locrin 1 points 1 year ago

Disgruntled ex employes say a lot of stuff. No proof though ;)

Also Elon bad, yeah no shit all people with that level of money are generally assholes. But a company should be able to chose who it does business with no?

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