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[–] steventhedev -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The southern Strip is objectively safer than the north. The blood of those people killed here are on the hands of UNRWA for refusing to close their facilities in the northern Strip. It's on the hands of the employees in that school who told those families they were safe when they were not.

There are lots of dead children for two primary reasons: Hamas uses child soldiers, and Hamas uses kids as human shields. If you can't look past the Arabic media's repeated accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing to believe for a moment that maybe Hamas are actually evil then I don't think anyone can help you.

[–] snek 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, it's totally the fault of the UNRWA that tried its best to keep people alive and lost more than 100 workers. Totally not the fault of the big giant-ass army that has been ignoring humanitarian law for decades.

If you can’t look past the Arabic media’s repeated accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing

The UN and all its bodies, Amnesty, the Red Cross, the Red Crescent, the BBC, Chomsky, Jewish Voices for Peace, every fucking human rights group.... these aren't "Arabic media", are they?

If you can't perceive objective reality and will drop any source for simply criticising Israel, then congratulations, you are one of the schmucks keeping this shitty war going.

I think blaming the UNRWA for civilian deaths is a really deeeeeep new low. Like too deep. Like please, crawl out of there, it's embarrassing.

[–] steventhedev -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking about you, snek. The media that you read and watch. Stick with Reuters, AP, BBC, maybe CNN or something for three days. No Arabic language media (or English-variant thereof) whatsoever. Pay special attention to which stories are missing. I wouldn't want you to deprive yourself of local news long term - that's just unrealistic and petty. But give it a try and see what happens when you go back.

I don't throw out a source for simply criticizing Israel, but I do give them a boot when they refuse to condemn Hamas' actions, or they are so heavily one-sided that it's no longer a joke. I strongly believe that this war needs to be seen through to the end of Hamas. A ceasefire would only prolong the suffering of Gazan civilians and ultimately result in the death of more civilians. Hamas could end this war immediately by surrendering to face trial for crimes against humanity and release the hostages.

UNRWA is not a clean organization. Their presence in Gaza is deeply enmeshed with Hamas to the point that UNRWA was at risk of losing their funding because they were unwilling to remove dehumanizing hate speech from their curriculum. Hamas successfully chased out a director because he dared to even say that Israel was trying to minimize civilian casualties.

[–] snek 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Condemning Hamas" actions" Was the right thing to do, but Israel came to use it to silence journalists and discredit organizations that try to be neutral or not play any political games. In any case, all of those organizations have condemned Hamas, but you still won't listen to them.

I think it's really sad the assumptions you make around me. I don't even consume Arabic media usually, and the BBC is on the list that I sent above. Not to mention that these agencies you mentioned are starting to dislike Israel more and more after it killed everyone and their journalists. They expose Israeli crimes just the same /: so I am not sure what you even mean other than trying to sound like you know the truth while we all stumble around in the darkness.

Edit: I just read my original comment again and you clearly ignored the part where I say this isn't Arabic media... now I lost faith in this discussion.

I recently visited Berlin and did tours to understand the holocaust better, and one thing I learned is that propaganda that drives you to kill others indiscriminately is propaganda and leadership you should always question. It's too unfortunate how Israel fits the Hitler box, it's very sad that the tactics of othering are used to excuse war crimes and carry out a genocide. This is the only thing I see here, after 75 years of oppression.

Never again includes Palestinians. Either that or it doesn't include anyone at all.

So, in conclusion, discreditong the UNRWA is just the pretense to make this genocide "okay" in the public eye. To take the heros and turn them into an enemy... That's how you kill five thousand kids and never look back to think about it.