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Have people noticed how much popretary java code ProtonMail requires when using a web browser for email?

Also, why the required login on their free VPN service if they are all about privacy and encryption? Why do they want someone's network traffic in order to use their free VPN?

Over the past 6 months my suspicion grows bigger and bigger of who is behind Proton, the agenda behind starting the service, and how it caught on? Why don't free encrypted anti-government services catch on?

Until ProtonVPN removes login requirement and release VPN server code under open source license like RiseupVPN or CalyxVPN which are anonymous VPN's, no account, I will choose to treat Proton like a spy agency.

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[–] Dark_Arc 51 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Have people noticed how much popretary java code ProtonMail requires when using a web browser for email?

You mean JavaScript; particularly, https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients.

Also, why the required login on their free VPN service if they are all about privacy and encryption?

Because they need to limit how many instances of the VPN you're concurrently accessing somehow.

Why do they want someone’s network traffic in order to use their free VPN?

To use a VPN, you by definition are giving someone your network traffic.

Over the past 6 months my suspicion grows bigger and bigger of who is behind Proton, the agenda behind starting the service, and how it caught on? Why don’t free encrypted anti-government services catch on?

I'm not even touching this...

Until ProtonVPN removes login requirement and release VPN server code under open source license like RiseupVPN or CalyxVPN

That would be meaningless. You login to a protonmail account, which you can create anonymously. The server code can also never be verified to be what's running on the servers.

I will choose to treat Proton like a spy agency.

Go for it.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (14 children)

You did a good job to rebutt everything I said, props!

I'm good with letting all of your counterpoints stand on their merits.

I still do wonder how Proton caught on over other encrypted emails and why American government has not gone after Proton like they did with Lavabit, which I did use and then one day all my emails don't exist anymore.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@lengsel @Dark_Arc

Lavabit was formed and located in the US, while Protonmail was not. As a result, the US had jurisdiction over Lavabit, while it does not have the same level of jurisdiction over Protonmail.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would explain it for Lavabit.

I don't put as much weight on European courts due to seeing how American corporations through American politicians can get Euroeans locked in European prison for years over torrent sitrs of American movies, surely they can force an email service to shutdown and make threats if Switzerland does not comply.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's worth noting that Switzerland is not in the European Union, which is the entity that probably has jurisdiction over copyright in a lot of the cases you're describing.

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