"Manslaughter is the act of killing another human being without malice. It is a general intent crime that is distinct from murder because it requires less culpability." (source)

If we're in the business of creating hypotheticals, would you still stand by your approval if an innocent bystander was killed in the reckless chase? What if the Ukrainian was killed in the exchange of gunfire instead?

Again, what is the value of a human life? Should he have risked his life for €36,000? How about €36?

I understand that you can relate to the victim of the robbery, because so can I. My only position is that we should at any cost avoid endangering one another (or worse) over material things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we’re in the business of creating hypotheticals, would you still stand by your approval if an innocent bystander was killed in the reckless chase?

The chase wasn't reckless but in any case that's generally negligent manslaughter.

What if the Ukrainian was killed in the exchange of gunfire instead?

Robbery resulting in death, ten years to life. Usually on the life end of the scale, there's also the possibility to convict them of straight murder but that needs more work establishing intent and whatnot.

(also murder isn't "malicious manslaughter" under German law but "manslaughter with base motive". The base motive, here, is greed).

Again, what is the value of a human life? Should he have risked his life for €36,000? How about €36?

That's not how this works, there's no ascribed value in German law because money and life aren't things that can be brought in relation to each other.

My only position is that we should at any cost avoid endangering one another (or worse) over material things.

Yeah then maybe the robbers shouldn't do that don't you think?

[–] poopkins 1 points 1 year ago

I agree that we should leave these matters to systems of justice instead of taking them into our own hands.

I believe we are arguing the same thing from different angles. Let me be clear: I'm not arguing in favor of the actions of the Turkish men, but rather against the actions of the Ukrainian man. Both parties endangered themselves and others and the outcome is not something we should celebrate.