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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The same folks operating an apartheid and open air prison? The same ones that did the Nakba?

Yes, absolutely. The Israelis are mega racist

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

An open-air prison of Gaza's own making, mind you. Probably an unwise idea to attack Egypt--whoops.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop spreading misinformation. The blockade started before Hamas took charge; it started at the same time as the Israeli disengagement ended.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On 12 September 2005, the final day of the Israeli withdrawal, international politicians such as France's Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy and Jordan's Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher warned of Gaza being turned into an open-air prison.[24][25] Four days later, Mahmoud Abbas stated to the UN General Assembly: "It is incumbent upon Israel to turn this unilateral withdrawal into a positive step in a real way. We must quickly resolve all outstanding major issues, including the Rafah border crossing with Egypt, the airport and the seaport, as well as the establishment of a direct link between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Without this, Gaza will remain a huge prison."[26]

Following the disengagement, human rights groups alleged that Israel frequently blockaded Gaza in order to apply pressure on the population "in response to political developments or attacks by armed groups in Gaza on Israeli civilians or soldiers".[27] The special envoy of the Quartet James Wolfensohn noted that "Gaza had been effectively sealed off from the outside world since the Israeli disengagement [August–September 2005], and the humanitarian and economic consequences for the Palestinian population were profound. There were already food shortages. Palestinian workers and traders to Israel were unable to cross the border".[28]

On 15 January 2006, the Karni crossing – the sole point for exports of goods from Gaza – was closed completely for all kinds of exports.[29][30] The greenhouse project suffered a huge blow, as the harvest of high-value crops, meant to be exported for Europe via Israel, was essentially lost (with a small part of the harvest donated to local institutions).[30][31][32] Moreover, closing of Karni cut off the so-far resilient textile and furniture industries in Gaza from their source of income.[33] Starting February 2006, the Karni crossing was sporadically open for exports, but the amount of goods allowed to be exported was minuscule compared to the amount of goods imported[34] (which, in turn, barely supported Gaza's needs).[35][34] Between 1 January and 11 May, more than 12,700 tonnes of produce were harvested in Gaza's greenhouses, almost all of it destined for export; out of it, only 1,600 tonnes (less than 13%) were actually exported.

-Wikipedia. For context, Hamas won the elections on 25 January 2006.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

may you link the article? I'd like to read it for myself

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That isn't my point though. My point is that Gaza's seclusion is from their own doing.

If Palestinian Terrorists never attacked Eygpt or used its humanitarian crossings to smuggle weapons and resources--Then Gaza wouldn't be in its predicament of being a prison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So there's a lot wrong with this, but the short of it is: Collective punishment is a war crime.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Glad you agree. now tell that to hamas and jihadists.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In war between nations, all punishment is collective punishment. That's how war works. Your point of view might seem more compelling if they were not currently a belligerent territory under a hostile government actively launching bloody attacks against Israel. Blockades, fortifications, restricting movement, etc., are intended to deny the enemy resources that they would otherwise use to kill Israelis.

If Gaza sues for peace then that changes things. While they remain at war, all of these actions are totally reasonable. This is about safety, not punishing civilians.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Like I said before, this is due to the blockade. The blockade started before Hamas was in control of the strip, and wasn't strengthened in response to a particular attack against Israel (those started in earnest in 2007 after the blockade evolved into the form we know today). They're at war because peace isn't working. It didn't work in 1995, it didn't work in 2008 and it didn't work in 2014 (when Netenyahu actively opposed it, mind you).

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that's actively trying to genocide them. What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.

The Arabs that stayed in Israel through the nakba seem to be doing pretty well, gee, maybe this situation isn't about race after all, but rather it's about safety like they have always claimed it is.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that's actively trying to genocide them.

They just want to return to their homes they were violently expelled from. Yes, it would be within their rights to use violence to expel the literal theives from their homes.

What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.

These terms are true. It is a shocking situation, especially Gaza. Israel bombed their airport, won't let them go too far off the coast, walled them off, control everything about what goes into Gaza (hell, they couldn't get pasta at one point), 97% of the water they get isn't potable. The food they do receive is calorie tracked and once described by Israel as "putting the Palestinians on a diet". They can't get concrete to rebuild shit Israel blows up regularly. That shit is fucking bleak.

but rather it's about safety like they have always claimed it is.

It is, the oppressor is trying to keep the land they stole from the oppressed. It also hasnt stopped, and it's obvious that it's a continuous project. The ones who are there now know they're on borrowed time and many will resist.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I'll just mention that literally hundreds of thousands of people were expelled from Palestine. You should read more about the Nakba before saying stuff like that.