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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it lags behind because Chromium is developed by Google, which is the 4th biggest company in the world. And Safari is obviously from Apple which is the largest company in the world. I don't think the fact that Mozilla lags behind should upset anyone. The fact they can compete at all is impressive I think.

[+] [email protected] -42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or maybe, just maybe, it lags behind because Mozilla decided that their priorities are ruining the UI and to remove features.

[+] [email protected] -36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, keep downvoting. 50M (and counting) users lost since 2019 are surely a proof of how well Mozilla roadmap for FF is working.

[–] greenmarty 3 points 2 years ago

I'd contributed loss of users to the fact that Chrome gets pushed to the users anywhere it's possible by one of the biggest ads company in the world, especially on by Google maintained platforms which than obviously make people to use it more, because avg user don't wanna deal with what's better. They want to just click and get on the web.

Same situation used to be with IE which BTW deformed web as well. MS' IE used to be preinstalled on Windows which were mainstream platform to get to the web back in the day. IE also had its specifics and worked "non-standard" way. So websites had to be developed for browsers and for specifically hacked for IE.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please, feel free to engange to show me that I'm wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Here's a POV, and it's important to note that in general most users don't care (or even know) what their default browser is. At this point in time there are five "major" operating systems with the following global market shares [0]:

Android 35%
Windows 30%
iOS 17%
macOS 9%
Linux 1.5%

If we can agree that most users (not being technically literate, interested or inclined) will not change their default browser, we can easily see why Firefox is losing market share. Basically 91% of the world is - by default - using a non Firefox browser. If their current one is working well enough, why should they care to change it? Can we blame Mozilla for losing some users? Yeah, maybe a few. But that's not really the whole picture.

[0] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

Edit: I should point out there's a 6.6% group marked as "unknown" in the OS market share data - I left this out to keep things simple.

[–] cowmouse 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The statcounter web page uses data coming from trackers blocked by Firefox ETP, radar.cloudflare.com is more accurate.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, I don't agree. The loss was net, I mean 50M users migrated, the same users that before installed FF over the default browser. Something happened there.

Can we blame Mozilla for losing some users? Yeah, maybe a few. But that’s not really the whole picture.

50M (and counting) was 20% of their user base, not "some users". There's nothing wrong in admitting that Mozilla erratic development model has alienated at least some of "us" (by the way, I've been a FF user for almost 20 years before leaving). And, personally, I'll make whatever I can to make more users leave FF. Fuck Mozilla, really. They're just a cash-grab machine right now.