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[–] Candelestine 96 points 10 months ago (30 children)

tbf, it's too specialized. They're heavy so they can hurt through armor, which makes them slow. Terrible weapon vs an unarmored opponent, who can more easily just get out of the way or stay out of your reach.

A spear is at least good everywhere but indoors.

Like, what is the absolute last medieval weapon you would ever want if you were fighting 3 unarmed guys? All fast, all know what they're doing. I'd say mace is solidly last.

Now, are they all wearing heavy plate armor like knights? Then mace becomes really, really good, it'll break your bones through that steel, dent the steel inward so it compresses your body and the joints stop working properly, all sorts of shitty things. And you're too slow to get out of the way.

source: I like maces.

[–] GrammatonCleric 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

What's your opinion on flails?

[–] GoFastBoots 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The haft with a long chain and ball on the end is fantasy. However, I fought with one for a couple of years as a combat actor/choreographer and ren-faire reenactor and would say that the flail is a duelist's weapon only. And in a duel its chief function is to remove your opponent's shield.

A well placed flail strike will go around the guard of your opponent and potentially break fingers, hand, wrist, or arm.

You can also try to use it to disarm their primary weapon but it's less reliable in this regard as it becomes a tug of war strength contest.

Use your flail to break their hand and make them drop their shield and then drop the flail and draw your side sword or whatever else you happen to have.

Too slow and clumsy of a weapon to fight against a group or near allies.

[–] Venat0r 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

An even weirder one, a flail with a bike style chain: https://youtu.be/K5sPDbwr7EI

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seems to me like a bearded axe does many of the same things while being easier to control and being more effective as a striking weapon, no?

[–] GoFastBoots 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah pretty much, which is why the axe was actually used and flails as we know them are fantasy weapons. The flail has the intimidation and cool factor but otherwise I'd rather have an axe.

The flail might have more reach, but the longer the chain the slower the weapon and more skill required to land a blow.

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