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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

Hamas doesn't give a fuck about peace, ceasefires, children, or anything else.

That doesn't mean Israel should get carte blanche to do whatever they want. Let's not forget that prominent members of the current Israeli government have expressed very clear genocidal desires of their own.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I think we should just shove both leaders into a submersible

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Honestly? Yeah I don't see any way around this than to simply predicate all aid to the region on conditions.

  1. Israel on the demand that not one more brick be laid anywhere outside Israel's borders and a plan with enforcement mechanisms to dismantle the settlements that are there in order to guarantee the possibility of a sustainable Palestinian state with an economy under their own control (I.e that trade, commerce, construction, monetary policy be Palestinian and not imposed by Israel). That reparations be paid to families of the victims of this bombing campaign and settler violence over the years, that those who perpetrated violence be brought to justice.

  2. Palestine on the condition that they renounce the right of return, that they apprehend and surrender all militants to an international tribunal, that they recognize Israel, that they pay reparations to the families of Israelis that have been killed over the years.

  3. Egypt and Jordan on the demand that they participate in the enforcement of the above.

  4. for all parties, that Jerusalem be declared either an international city, or joint capital (split East-West).

  5. that Iran be completely isolated from the region. This is a tough one, they have their fingers deep within Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon.

It's unclear how anything else can work.

If this requires a permanent UN military mission with the right to shoot to kill any threat all along the border of both Palestine and Israel, I'm fine with it. If it means Israel bitches and moans about how unfair it is, who cares. It's about time they respected and enforced the law. If it means Palestinians need to fight to dismantle their own militant orgs and fight for peace, at least they will have a light at the end of that tunnel instead of the despair of the past 70 years (and earlier too, tbh).

[–] oiez 9 points 1 year ago

You know this is a good plan because all the orthodox hardliners on both the Israeli and Palestinian side would hate it.

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