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For any of you trying to get over the Hell fear, you should know Eternal Damnation isn’t actually even in the Bible. (medium.com)

submitted 1 year ago by Cruxifux to c/exchristian

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Warning, this IS from the perspective of a Christian. But it’s something I wish I had known when I was deconverting.

The heaven and hell bullshit is just something modern Christian’s use to get you to tithe and support fascist ideals. Fuck them.

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[–] neanderthal 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think all Christians should watch The Good Place. It does a great job showing why the most Christian concepts of heaven and hell aren't ethically sound.

It is a hilarious show that is also like a really great introductory ethics class. It sounds weird, but it works.

It pokes fun at a lot of ethical viewpoints. It shows the short comings deontological (lawful good, follow the rules) several times even though one of the main characters loves Kant. Christian ethics is pretty much deontological, but inconsistent and impossible to actually follow to a T.

I also think it is probably the best series of all time. At least the best I have seen. It is loaded with references, foreshadowing, details and subtleties. I have seen the whole thing 4-5 times and notice new things every time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go Blake Bortles!

[–] neanderthal 5 points 1 year ago

Maximum Derek!

[–] Cruxifux 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wouldn’t help with the hell fear at all though.

[–] neanderthal 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Their own book should help. Calvinists make a good point. In Exodus, the pharaoh was going to give in to the Jews, but god changed the pharaoh's mind. Later in Romans, god/Jesus/Paul pretty much comes out and says everything is determined by God, so there is no free will. So fearing hell is pointless, it isn't up to you.

All it takes is one ounce of doubt to honestly search for truth to see through the Bible.

Thomas Paine did an amazing job pointing out the problems with the Bible using the Bible as his reference. He dated the authorship of the earliest books at around 500BCE, which isn't far off from the oldest fragments found.

I don't feel good so my brain is broken, hence the rambling tangents.

[–] Cruxifux 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See that’s the thing that always got me. If god controls everything why is it on me to not go to hell if he controls everything

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "man has free will" argument in Christianity completely ignores the fact that free will cannot exist in a universe where an omnipotent and omniscient deity also exists. And of course it is intrinsically tied up in the whole problem of evil paradox, to which no Christian apologist has ever come up with a reasonable explanation.

[–] neanderthal 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I also have an issue with how there is the expectation to just trust holy books. It would be pretty easy to provide evidence by adding things that are way ahead of the time in a cryptic manner., Things that won't make sense for thousands of years. Only the wise should wield 235 of 92, for it holds great power. Or time increases with speed. Or 8 minutes from the sun.

[–] Nahlej 5 points 1 year ago

I never understood how Lucifer's rebellion even happened. Didn't God only give free will to humans? So how could any of the angels do anything against God's will? And if that's correct, God set Lucifer up to "rebel" just so he could cast him out?

And if "everything is according to God's will or plan", then God is responsible for all the bad things that happen too. You can't blame anything on the devil because Angels don't have free will and everything is part of God's plan.