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[Main Thread] Russian Civil War 6/23/23 (self.ukraine)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Putin makes televised national address. Summary of speech:

TL;DR - Wagner is committing a betrayal, a stab in the back like 1917, and will face "inevitable punishment".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So any remaining conspiracy thoughts of this being orchestrated by Putin as an awkward "out" are clearly gone. Also, this will more clearly set up direct armed confrontation between Wagner and the Russian armed forces. It's probably not that hard to get some of the regulars riled up against Shoigu and the MoD, but now Wagner has to convince them to go against Putin.

[–] UnmeltedByRain 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Listening to their intercepted phone calls, it seems like they mostly hate Putin for sending them to Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

While I agree there will be a lot that hate Putin like that, I think the intercepted phone calls are too anecdotal to get a reliable picture of the loyalties within the military.