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Is kbin.social anti-corporation? Should it be? (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm seeing discussions on other instances about how a "federated" corporate instance should be handled, i.e. Meta, or really any major company.

What would kbin.social's stance be towards federating/defederating with a Meta instance?

Or what should that stance be?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don’t think there should be blind hostility but it should be clear that any hint of embrace, extend, extinguish will result in hostile actions like defederation. I also don’t think targeted ad tech companies share the goals of the Fediverse. I wouldn’t be bothered if instances had sponsors (as in, “/Kbin is made possible by support from Cloudflare”) like all non-profit media. But any sort of targeted ads based on user activity/data should be ruled out as a way to fund the metaverse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think we have already seen hints of "embrace, extend, extinguish" with the confidential meeting they invited the Fosstodon dev to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

@codybrumfield Well, we already have Meta's off-the-record invitation. I'd consider that to be a hint of shenanigans!

[+] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is that if I want to communicate with Meta users, then my content gets copied onto Meta's servers, just because of how the fediverse works. Everything is a local copy first, then gets federated. So if I reply to someone who is a Meta user, in order for them to see my comment it must get copied to Meta servers. The only way to stop this is to defederate with them (which means the server you are on would not send anything to Meta servers).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is that if I want to communicate with Meta users, then my content gets copied onto Meta's servers

whats the issue with this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Are you familiar with the embrace, extend, extinguish process referenced by the top commenter? Just wondering if this comment is made with understanding of that process.

Personally, I don't want Meta's money and army of paid developers to be able to make "surface level" improvements that incentivize non-technical users to join their instance, while hiding an increasingly hostile and profit-driven framework underneath.

Here's a blog post passed around a lot today on the issue. I'm not totally sold one way or another, so if you have insight I'd love to learn more.