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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

And their ID card numbers, which can be indexed to the existing systems that The Israeli government controls.. and I imagine also that the US has access to.

So now to prove that Hamas is lying about the death toll, they just have to find one person on this list who is still alive and put them on television. Seems easy enough, considering that all the cell phones in Gaza strip are easily monitored.

Sorry I don't mean to imply they have to prove the Hamas is lying, it's just a great PR opportunity, so they won't pass it up if they have that capability

[–] snek 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was wondering what it is that the health ministry would have to do to be seen as credible. What would be good enough?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Nothing would be seen as good enough. We are in a war, and that includes information war, that means constantly attacking the credibility of your enemy, even if what they're saying is true.

Releasing IDs, and photos of each body, to create a somewhat morbid wiki death would probably go a long way to establishing credibility.

But again they would be attacked, because we are in the information war phase.

Getting third parties in there to certify the deaths would help, but the UNRWA is deliberately not doing that, because they don't want to be political.

So whatever the ultimate death toll will be, it'll be contested hotly for decades to come. All will be able to agree on is a lot of people died, but not exactly how many...

[–] scrape 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with your overall point but take issue with referring to the hostilities in Palestine as a "war". We do not say that Nazi Germany was at war with Jewish People. We call it genocide. This is extermination of a civilian population.

Palestine does not have a standing army. Calling it a war normalizes the actions of Israel.

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