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[–] grue 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, the problem is the people who incorrectly merge early, making "rushing" possible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am not calling it rushing because they are passing, but because they are going a significantly higher speed when starting to merge, requiring them to slam on the brakes and cause the same issues that merging too early causes.

Like going 20+ mph over the posted speed, not just going the speed limit in the open lane.

People who stay in the open lane and don't pass in the no passing zone and just zipper merge at the end are not the people I am talking about when I say rushing.

[–] grue 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right, and the real fault lies with the early mergers who cause the open lane to exist in the first place, not the opportunistic drivers who fill it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Early mergers don't make people speed in the open lane and abruptly merge in an unsafe manner.

[–] grue 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can either work with human nature, or try to work against it. But if you choose the latter, you're gonna have a bad time.

As someone with a background in traffic engineering, I care about what actually works. Making yourself feel good by passing judgement on drivers doesn't actually do anything to solve the problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying that human nature is to speed in the open lane if other people merge early?

[–] grue 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it sure seems that way. Why, do you doubt it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Because it is stupid to blame early merging people instead of just assuming the speeders are the same people that speed and do shitty sudden lane changes in normal traffic.

[–] grue -1 points 10 months ago

You don't get it: the blame doesn't matter. What matters is designing the built environment in such a way as to afford good behaviors and preclude (or at least discourage) bad ones.

That's why traffic calming works much better than merely putting in speed limit signs with lower numbers on them, for instance, and why I really liked this suggestion elsewhere in the thread.