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Sounds like a pretty well constructed straw man woven in with some genuinely disturbing nativist stances (e.g., 100% value alignment as a precondition). And all in response to an article where nothing is mentioned about any positions on immigration from any of the other parties, most of which (including the socialists) just maintained their size. But yes, I'm sure "as a lefty" you think "balance is key" on every issue and somehow manage to use the rise of the right to talk about how it's really progressives' fault.
You've perfectly demonstrated the validity of my argument and why we are the left losing this argument. You're basically accusing me of being alt right or fuck else who knows, because I believe this issue isn't just let anyone in who wants to get in.
It's idiotic I even have to say this, but one glance at my comment history shows that I'm not some both sides dickhead.
Again, it's sad I even have to point this out, but here we are.
I've always said with immigration, bring your heritage, your cultures, your customs your food, but they MUST not conflict with values of liberty and equality for all.
The fact that this is controversial to you just shows how warped a person's thinking and perspective can become in the persuit of pc culture.
I'm accusing you of being a center-left "smart Democrat" who blames right wing radicalization of the populace based on deep seated and enduring prejudices on "progressives". I did briefly look at your comment history and just a page in you're once again making a straw man about progressives while prefacing it with "I'm as liberal as it gets". And all while capping this response with a "PC culture" complaint that's more or less saying "woke mind virus". It's basically just early Bill Maherism.
And I'll reiterate again that your blame the left comment for anti-immigrant prejudice is in response to an article where none of the immigration positions of the left parties were even mentioned.
No. I blame us losing to right wing candidates by making idiotic stands that do not appeal to regular people.
Saying open borders anyone can come in just won't fly. Hell, if it won't fly with someone like me who's more left than average it has no chance of succeeding.
So you can't scratch your head and wonder why are the crazy rights winning, when you couldn't even get liberal people on board.
I don't know if we are talking past each other, I'm simply saying there needs to be solid requirements for immigration.
Requirements that defend freedom and autonomy for everyone. We don't need to tap dance around the fact that religion in general, but Islam in particular does not have a good track record here.
No one says any of those things!
You just make up progressive positions to be angry about, mirroring the right wing arguments in the process, while complaining about out of control PC culture like a 90s Third Way Democrat trying to prove they're not one of those crazy liberals who wants to make crime legal for minorities.